Posted on 07/15/2008 4:18:35 AM PDT by panthermom
If you don’t mind me asking, where are you thinking about going?
We are from there and have family there. Retirement is a ways off, I don’t think a single one of us can predict where will be a good place to live in 20 years. If gas continues to climb, some of those mountain states won’t be so attractive since it will cost an arm and a leg to get anywhere and to get food etc in (unless you’re intending to live off the land, in which case that would be less of a problem).
susie
The demographics are very good for the mountain states and schools are some of the best performing in the nation. Lots of development going on there.
If there’s lots of development going on, there are going to be lots of people coming in to do the development—in less than 20 years they will have the same issues as the places you’re trying to avoid. The answer is to smack our govt around and make them clean things up.
susie
I don’t know, yet. Right now it’s just a thought that I need to find a place for my family that is out of the line of fire.
We live on the extreme west of the city, across the street is outside city limits. This was once a quiet country style area with virtually no crime. Almost a farming community type thing.
Then, about 18 years ago, the city decided this would be a good place for two large Section 8 apartment complexes. Immediately, the crime rate skyrocketed. People started locking their doors at night and during the day.
The older people who have lived here for decades are dying off and being replaced by gang bangers and wannabe gang bangers. A WalMart opened up around the corner and I am sure that if it isn’t the loudest, dirtiest WalMart on earth, it has to be in the running.
I have two girls (17 and 2) and I always fear for their safety if they and their mother are out running errands or going anywhere close by.
I look around the city and the whole place is following suit. Once nice, low crime neighborhoods are being ghetto-ized. Every day the news has more crime and violence to report and more thugs being spawned by more mothers who are little more than thugs themselves.
As for myself, I could live just about anywhere and if it was just me, I would really care. But, I have a family to think about. Their safety and well being is my top priority.
I think the government is against us. They’re more interested in going after some white pencil neck guy who’s interested in living out Mormonism 1800’s style than they are in ghetto bangers who engage in drugs, rape, robbery and murder.
You may be right, but it’s also easier to go after the one than the other because they are fewer in number. Anyway, when you find that place to move to please ping me!
susie
Yeah, I still need to go and check out Wyoming, Montanna and Idaho with the family and the Czech Republic (I’m Czech American) too. One thing though I hate flying! I think my wife would rather move to Europe instead of Montanna.
Your best bet is in the US Mountain states. If you’re of European blood I can tell you what countries you might be best eligible for and where to go.
I saw a Rudy Maxa thing on Switzerland that made me want to pack my bags right then.
I speak no French or German, so that would be a problem. But, my two year old is pretty sharp and she would pick it right up. She could be our interpretor.
LOL
I don’t fly at all, so it’s hard to imagine a place I would have to fly to and from. Heck, I’d rather be able to buy an island at this point! I wonder about Eastern Europe, but it concerns me too.
susie
I bet you would learn German fast. I took a year of it in college and can still understand much of it (written) because it is so similar to English. Spanish on the other hand baffles my brain (altho I find I can also read it better than I can understand it).
susie
There is nothing really unexpected in all this. At least I am not surprised. The sanctuary cities protect them, nurture them and subsidize them but eventually they move on to a location near you.
The injury and deaths to citizens, the murdering of citizens by illegals is not enough to elicit an appropriate response from our government. Believe me, McCain or Obama do not give a damn. We may have a few friends in Congress, but they are very few.
Money is likely all that will bring change. Perhaps victims bringing crippling lawsuits against companies or individuals that hire these illegals and then add on the nearest sanctuary city for effect? The strong central government doesn’t want the citizenry to know what price they are paying for these illegals “seeking a better life” and “wanting to live the American Dream”. We have to become squeaky wheels and utilize the courts and also the risk of monetary loss to expedite action on this issue.
If only a few sanctuary cities lose large lawsuits the rest will find their way to compliance in short order. This is the best and perhaps only weapon we have in this fight right now.
I am pretty sure the perps are American citizens, spawned on our shores.
Switzerland from what I understand is a fantastic place. Good business climate too. Low crime though there are some muzzies and some stupid mulit-cultural nonsense in pockets there. Last I heard, to become a resident in a town a citizen council has to approve of you. But that might just be in a few areas. I’d definitely check Switzerland out if I were you. One of the better options in Europe. Learning German will be pretty easy plus you’ll be able to communicate with Germans and Austrians too another bonus.
“The scary thing is, this is what America will be like - all over - in 20 years because of these severe demographic changes.
For that reason I’m thinking of moving to Idaho, Montanna or the Eastern Europe. Anyone else thinking of doing the same?”
It’s really too late. Idaho has enormous illegal alien problems (not as bad as Oregon & Ca. of course). It’s simply breaking small county governments one after another. Remember County commissioner Robt. Vasquez who ran for congress (who the GOP would not support) to try to rid his Idaho County of the problem in 2006? Their county budget was destroyed by one illegal alien criminal with TB. They had to rent him a private nurse, guard and a motel room to try to isolate him. DHS as usual said it wasn’t their problem. As soon as he felt better he skipped out. He’s probably in Georgia by now.
I lived in Helena, MT for 5 years. Didn’t like it. Too cold in the winter, too hot in the summer. The town didn’t have a Home Depot for the first 3 years I lived there. People weren’t real friendly either.
Very few immigrants, but lots of drugs. Low crime rates since over 70% of households own guns and open carry is permitted.
“The answer is to smack our govt around and make them clean things up.”
And be assured when they want to, they CAN clean things up. We’re talking about Georgia here. I have a lot of family born & buried in Gwinnett County and more up near Rome. I hope to see it one day.
Let me tell you what the State of Georgia and the US Government did when there were ‘those’ (MY ancestors) who they wanted OUT. They were rounded up and put in stockades at forts and then moved 1000 miles. But these weren’t ALIENS or criminals or invaders or anything like that. They were educated, many were wealthy, successful businessmen, owned beautiful homes, all natives declared by the Supreme Court as sovereign after presenting their own case. But their homes and lands were taken anyway. And they were DEPORTED! And now this government tells me they can’t or WON’T deport and keep out foreigners breaking our laws?
They have no right here. I’m sick of the circular logic applied to lawbreaking foreign nationals. It’s insane. “God’s Children”....Mr. McCain you can kiss my Scotch/Cherokee butt.
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Private John G. Burnett of Captain Abraham McClellan’s Company, penned his observations of the Cherokee Indian Removal. This description is of another contingency which took months longer and did not fare as well as the Bells (my family) who were allowed to oversee their own train after being held at Fort Cass, Tennessee.
“I saw the helpless Cherokees arrested and dragged from their homes, and driven at the bayonet point into the stockades. And in the chill of a drizzling rain on an October morning I saw them loaded like cattle or sheep into six hundred and forty-five wagons and started toward the west....On the morning of November the 17th we encountered a terrific sleet and snow storm with freezing temperatures and from that day until we reached the end of the fateful journey on March the 26th 1839, the sufferings of the Cherokees were awful. The trail of the exiles was a trail of death. They had to sleep in the wagons and on the ground without fire. And I have known as many as twenty-two of them to die in one night of pneumonia due to ill treatment, cold and exposure.”
“But these weren’t ALIENS or criminals or invaders or anything like that. They were educated, many were wealthy, successful businessmen, owned beautiful homes, all natives declared by the Supreme Court as sovereign after presenting their own case”
And another thing, from my prior post. They were ALL Christian.
I live in Lilburn. There is a highway that splits the town in half. Over the years the illegals have taken over north of Hwy 29 and I mean they have taken over. And yes they have MS-13 tagged so everyone can see.
They have had to shut down the youth baseball program at Lucky Shoals park in Norcross, it was too dangerous for the kids because of the gangs. Lilburn Elementary, Lilburn Middle School are gang recruitment centers, not schools.
They are now invading my side of town. One day you see one family and the next there are 5 then 15, then 30, etc. Drive down any street and you can tell where the illegals are by the amount of vans, cars and trucks parked in the driveway and on the yard.
I challenge anybody to show me ONE place in the United States where illegals moved in and did not trash everything around them.
We’re leaving, heading east towards Athens.
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