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Police nab more than 60,000 marijuana plants
The Press-Enterprise ^ | July 11, 2008 | GENE GHIOTTO

Posted on 07/11/2008 9:01:51 PM PDT by rockinqsranch

Deputies seized more than 60,000 marijuana plants over the past week from the Santa Ana River bed west of Norco, potentially removing millions of dollars from the pockets of drug dealers, sheriff's officials said.

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TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: drugenforcement; immigration; marijuana; potheads; wod

1 posted on 07/11/2008 9:01:51 PM PDT by rockinqsranch
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To: rockinqsranch
Police nab more than 60,000 marijuana plants

Do you have a link to the video of the high-speed chase?

2 posted on 07/11/2008 9:09:18 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

If booze is legal I see no reason for marijuana not to be. We’ve wasted tens of billions trying to fight pot and have done nothing to stomp out its use.


3 posted on 07/11/2008 9:12:51 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac

I take no drugs, but I must agree that anti-marijuana laws and their enforcement seem to be stupid and costly examples of government meddling in the private lives of citizens.


4 posted on 07/11/2008 9:17:46 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: DemonDeac

And I would guess that cocaine would be next on your list of drugs to exclude because of the billions spent trying to keep this drug out of our hands?


5 posted on 07/11/2008 9:18:14 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

“...government meddling in the private lives of citizens.”

I know a woman who smoked that crap the entire time she was pregnant. The cost was a young girls life became pretty messed up. Busted at age 11 for drugs. Still can’t shake the drugs at 33. It’s very sad.

Yeah, I disagree with you.


6 posted on 07/11/2008 9:32:09 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: DemonDeac
Oregon is collecting signatures to get an initiative on the Nov ballot.

It would allow the State Liquor stores to cultivate and sell pot.

7 posted on 07/11/2008 9:39:50 PM PDT by Global2010 (OKIE DOKIE)
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To: doc1019

I don’t think i’d go that far but I really don’t see how booze is legal and pot isn’t. If anything booze is the more dangerous drug.


8 posted on 07/11/2008 9:41:14 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: rockinqsranch

LOL @ gardenining/topic


9 posted on 07/11/2008 9:43:12 PM PDT by Global2010 (OKIE DOKIE)
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To: rockinqsranch
The lady you mention is the irresponsible party—and, of course, she was acting in defiance of current laws, which shows that those laws are not especially effective anyway. And if she hadn't had access to marijuana, wouldn't she have found some other intoxicant with which to zombie herself and, as it turns out, her offspring?
10 posted on 07/11/2008 9:49:16 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: DemonDeac

So, drug wise, were is your cut off point … if pot is legalized, what is the next drug to be legalized (and if pot is legalized, there will be a “next” drug)? To reiterate, we all know to well that if pot is legalize, some other drug will be next on the list of.


11 posted on 07/11/2008 9:50:13 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Wow, they found some plants that some people somewhere decided we can’t have. Neat.


12 posted on 07/11/2008 9:59:22 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: snarks_when_bored

ask children of marijuana users if their parents are better parents when they are high?


13 posted on 07/11/2008 10:21:35 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: rockinqsranch

Exactly how did they “nab” the plants? Were the plants fleeing, running away, making a break in a car or helicopter?

How do you “nab” a plant?

“nab (n²b) tr.v. nabbed, nab·bing, nabs. Informal. 1. To seize (a fugitive or wrongdoer); arrest. 2. To grab; snatch. [Perhaps variant of dialectal nap, to seize, probably of Scandinavian origin.] —nab“ber n.”

Please excuse me for being persnickety.

“per·snick·e·ty (p…r-sn¹k“¹-t¶) adj. 1.a. Overparticular about trivial details; fastidious. b. Snobbish; pretentious. 2. Requiring strict attention to detail; demanding: a persnickety job. [Alteration of pernickety. See PERNICKETY.]”


14 posted on 07/11/2008 10:22:01 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: Walkingfeather
It's unfortunate—but true—that there's a cost-effectiveness issue here. In an ideal world, saving even one child from the ruinous behavior of its parents would be worth an infinite expenditure of time, effort and money. This is not an ideal world.
15 posted on 07/11/2008 10:30:56 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: doc1019

Freedom : Freedom requires courage, it is better than a fear of plants, and much better than a lust for government power.


16 posted on 07/11/2008 10:38:02 PM PDT by Lazlar
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To: Walkingfeather

“ask children of marijuana users if their parents are better parents when they are high?”

Ask Americans if the government owns their children.


17 posted on 07/11/2008 10:38:07 PM PDT by Lazlar
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To: doc1019

Basically, the law should just state that if a drug is fun to take, it should be illegal. That’s what it’s all about. We’re opposed to people having fun taking drugs. Alcohol, okay. Drugs, no. I’m right, aren’t I? Can you think of any drugs that are fun to take that aren’t illegal?


18 posted on 07/11/2008 10:41:28 PM PDT by vanishing liberty
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To: Walkingfeather

How would they know? It’s not like they’d have something to compare to.


19 posted on 07/11/2008 10:41:36 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: rockinqsranch

It’s not about whether or not marijuana should be illegal.

THEY ARE REMOVING SOME OF THE POWER FROM THESE HORRIBLE ILLEGAL THUGS! I say yay!


20 posted on 07/11/2008 10:44:03 PM PDT by Yaelle
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As the oil supply shrinks, are the oil companies suffering? I think not, and neither are the drug dealers, for the same basic reasons of supply and demand. Their competitors in the region will be laughing all the way to the bank in the wake of this raid, and nothing else will change.

It’s sad to see that the “slippery slope” argument still has so many diehard adherents. Our federal government has held an arbitrary line between legal alcohol/nicotine and illegal marijuana for the better part of a century, despite the overwhelming evidence that both alcohol and nicotine are more addictive, more intoxicating (in alcohol’s case), and almost infinitely more toxic than marijuana. How slippery can the slope possibly be?

I propose a slippery-slope experiment of a different sort: if marijuana prohibition is working so well, why not try prohibiting alcohol? I don’t see what could possibly go wrong.


21 posted on 07/11/2008 11:43:10 PM PDT by raffish
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To: doc1019
“To reiterate, we all know to well that if pot is legalize, some other drug will be next on the list of.”

Why do we know that? Are there any other illegal drugs that are used by anywhere close to the number of people that use marijuana. More people use marijuana than all other drugs combined. It is not particularly addicting. Some people become heavy users and then actually remain heavy users. Most grow out of their marijuana smoking phase with little difficulty. People don't die from overdoses from it. Very few are ever compelled to steal to get money for it, and those that would steal for marijuana money would probably steal to get anything they might want. People certainly aren't selling their bodies for “marijuana fixes.” It doesn't contribute to a great degree to domestic violence like alcohol. It's not harmless, but it is one of the most benign of all intoxicants.

I could see us legalizing marijuana and nothing else. You aren't going to see a big push to legalize drugs like meth and heroin and cocaine except from a few voices, mostly libertarian types. We'll never see anywhere close to a majority pushing to legalize those drugs because they are so bad, so harmful to society and the risk of using them so great, both to the users and to society as a whole.

And what about drugs hardly anyone does, like LSD or ketamine? Well, really hardly anyone does drugs like heroin. Hardly any do LSD either, and almost none who do it continue to use it for any length of time. The government estimates that less than one percent of Americans do heroin. Only a tiny percentage do most other drugs. There is not a huge market for most drugs, and really very little reason to legalize them. At least with legalizing marijuana we'd take billions and billions of dollars from organized crime and drive a stake in the heart of drug smuggling and distribution networks for all the other drugs that in most cases piggy back off of the massive marijuana smuggling and delivery networks. Again, the marijuana industry is the backbone of the illegal drug trade. More than half of all American adults under 60 have tried it, and millions and millions use it at least occasionally today.

I could see us legalizing just marijuana. I'm all for it, but I'd be dead set against legalizing drugs like meth, heroin and cocaine. There really aren't many good arguments for legalizing most drugs, and the risks are too great. But marijuana, like it or not, is a part of our culture now. It's not going away. We aren't keeping anyone from using it with our current policies. If people want to do it they do it. All we are doing is providing billions upon billions of dollars to organized crime. Marijuana is the one and only currently illegal drug we really need to legalize and regulate similar to the way we regulate alcohol now.

22 posted on 07/12/2008 12:39:14 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: Walkingfeather
ask children of marijuana users if their parents are better parents when they are high?

I don't have to. The two most responsible level headed young men I know were raised by marijuana smokers. They were better men by the time they were 15 than most any others of any age I can think of. Now in their early thirties they are both doing extremely well in their respective careers.

23 posted on 07/12/2008 1:42:26 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: doc1019

I think every so often we ought to legalize everything. In a just few days we could level out the gene pool to people who aren’t tempted to abuse drugs or booze. Imagine the annual financial savings that would do for our budgets!


24 posted on 07/12/2008 11:11:58 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: rockinqsranch

“We just smiled and waved...sittin’ on that sack of seeds.”


25 posted on 07/12/2008 11:13:28 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: TigersEye

er... right... I wont disturb your dinner of unicorn steaks and rainbow punch....


26 posted on 07/12/2008 9:16:45 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

You don’t have the mental muscle to disturb shit house fly, chief.


27 posted on 07/12/2008 9:30:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: Walkingfeather

Ask my half-sister if alcohol being legal was worthy of her mother dying at 39 of cirrhosis of the liver.


28 posted on 07/13/2008 2:37:28 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: Nate505

So your argument is marijuana is safer than alcohol in order to put you in an alter-state?

Did you hear me advocate the use of alcohol over marijuana? I am not in favor of anything that disassociates one from living an authentic life.

The question is, why does feel the need to get drunk,get high,etc at all?

Those in favor of MJ feel it is some God given right to take drugs to act like asses.


29 posted on 07/13/2008 6:44:17 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: REDWOOD99

Ah I see so.... What the hell does it matter how you treat children as they grow up if they can not compare and contrast the difference. So if you beat the $hit out of them who cares they wont know the difference? If you are a user, your decision making strategy just proved my side of the argument.

Sheesh.


30 posted on 07/13/2008 6:48:16 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: TigersEye

Well who can argue with that! I for one am glad that the children were here to witness that authentic frontier gibberish.....


31 posted on 07/13/2008 6:51:33 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

Ummm... I meant the parents were probably high all of the time. Get some bran in your diet.


32 posted on 07/13/2008 7:36:01 AM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Walkingfeather
In a way you've proved my point. At 15 neither of those boys would have been such a jerk as to call someone a liar about something they knew nothing about. They have integrity, you don't. They have honor, you don't. They have the intelligence to know how to act like a man, you don't.

So what is your parent's excuse? Genetics?

33 posted on 07/13/2008 11:37:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: rockinqsranch

http://www.pe.com/localnews/norco/stories/PE_News_Local_S_pot11.411dffe.html

” “It’s very difficult to catch these guys,” Williams said. “They have preplanned escape routes and hiding spots. They live in there.””

What the article doesn’t tell you is that large grows like this are typically Mexican Drug Cartels with the help of MS13, all illegal aliens and well armed.


34 posted on 07/13/2008 11:49:17 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: Walkingfeather

My argument is that is hypocritical for society to not just make alcohol legal but to promote it while putting people in jail for possessing pot.


35 posted on 07/13/2008 11:52:27 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: AuntB
A couple of years ago, he said, about 90,000 plants were seized, followed by about 181,000 plants last year. Part of the increase is the result of warmer weather extending the growing period, from February through October, he said.

They did get a subtle shot in there for Glowbull Warming though. /s

36 posted on 07/13/2008 12:46:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: TigersEye

You claim because you know 2 people that were raised by pot smokers and they are “ well adjusted” ( what ever the hell that means) you would count that as evidence that Nullifies my argument that drug use and bad parenting go together?

I am not calling you a liar..... I am calling your argument (not you)STUPID.

When one is losing an argument on the evidence falling back on the old leftest playbook of calling names and questioning ones genetics and intelligence doesn’t seem too manly to me.
However you are to one that is advocating the use of drugs so I guess I should expect nothing less.
Back to your opium den....


37 posted on 07/13/2008 10:31:04 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather
You claim because you know 2 people that were raised by pot smokers and they are “ well adjusted” ( what ever the hell that means)...

I didn't use the phrase "well adjusted" you did so why don't you tell us all what that means?

you would count that as evidence that Nullifies my argument that drug use and bad parenting go together?

You call the stupid remark you made an argument about drug use and bad parenting? LOL

ask children of marijuana users if their parents are better parents when they are high?

That is your brilliant essay on drug use and bad parenting en toto. Amazing!

When one is losing an argument on the evidence falling back on the old leftest playbook of calling names and questioning ones genetics and intelligence doesn’t seem too manly to me.

Since you are no longer in a position to comment on anyone else's manliness we'll leave that. I could hardly have been losing the argument since I produced not one but two answers to your challenge to "ask children of marijuana users." It's not my fault you made such a weak "argument."

However you are to one that is advocating the use of drugs so I guess I should expect nothing less.

I didn't advocate the use of drugs. That's just hyperbole on your part. I just refuted your BS.

Back to your opium den....

More of the crap you started. Of course that didn't stop you from accusing me of doing it first. My expectations of you couldn't get much lower.

38 posted on 07/13/2008 11:34:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: TigersEye

Still my argument stands beyond your tripe. I would state with reasonable generality that children of drug users would probably state that they wish their parents had not been drug users when it came to parenting them. Now if you want to continue this we can but I think there is a fair amount of evidence over the last 50 years, (beyond 2 well balanced 15 year olds that you know) to make my point.

Refute the point that drug use has been a major destruction to society and the family (with evidence) then I will concede.


39 posted on 07/14/2008 6:06:53 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather
Still my argument stands beyond your tripe. I would state with reasonable generality that children of drug users would probably state that they wish their parents had not been drug users when it came to parenting them.

Talk about tripe!!! Now its drug users instead of just marijuana users. I didn't think you could undermine your credibility much further but you did.

40 posted on 07/14/2008 5:33:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: TigersEye

Sheesh, so now you are stating marijuana is not a drug? If it is not a drug by the classic definition what is it? A floorwax or a dessert topping?

study after study has validated that Marijuana is a drug and furthermore a gateway drug.

Without getting the hand puppets out I don’t think I can make my argument to you any clearer.

Best of luck to those kids.


41 posted on 07/14/2008 10:25:56 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather
You sure like to twist things back and forth. First you make a blanket statement about parents who smoke marijuana. Then you turn it around and make your statement about "drugs" which obviously can include a great number of other things. Now you try and twist my words back on themselves to intimate that I'm denying marijuana is a drug. You are one pathetic debater. It's like talking to Algore.

Those men don't need luck. One has worked full time since he was 15 while learning to play guitar like Eddie Van Halen. Made himself indispensable to every employer he's had beginning with an auto body shop. Studied computer engineering, put his wife through the Colorado School of Mines to become an oil field engineer and now he is director of a private music school having taught classes himself in the past.

His younger brother, who is dyslexic and has epilepsy, was running his own stone masonry business by the age of 20 and doing such fine work that he charges much more than any other mason in the area which is choked with contractors. He is booked up at least six months in advance, has been flown to Hawaii to do stone work, gives his wife $1,000 month allowance beyond paying all the bills on the house they bought when he was about 22, boat, 2 - mid'60s camaros for her, big Dodge diesel for him, blah blah blah...

And none of those things are what I meant when I said they were men at the age of 15. I seriously doubt that someone with your mind would understand or appreciate what I had in mind. You just don't have the mental power to push a cart in a flea circus.

42 posted on 07/14/2008 11:56:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
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To: Walkingfeather

A gateway drug?

There are people who still seriously believe that nonsense?


43 posted on 07/15/2008 7:27:50 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: TigersEye

Your two young men sound like great people. Still does not negate my argument. Best to you and them.


44 posted on 07/15/2008 5:55:19 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

Thank you. Best to you too.


45 posted on 07/15/2008 6:07:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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