Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 07/05/2008 12:19:05 PM PDT by sionnsar
For years, climate alarmists in the media have loved showing video footage of Greenland glaciers slipping into the ocean in order to evoke feelings of global warming gloom and doom in the citizenry.
On Friday, the journal Science is publishing a seventeen year study of Greenland's ice sheet that flatly contradicts all such hysterical reports and claims.
In fact, the paper concludes that such melting is a normal summertime event, and that when looked at over a longer period of time, there has been little change in the ice sheets in this region, and even possibly a slowing in glacial movement.
Imagine that.
Somewhat surprisingly, the New York Times' Andrew C. Revkin appears to be the first to report some of the findings (emphasis added):
[A] new Dutch study of 17 years of satellite measurements of ice movement in western Greenland concludes that the speedup of the ice is a transient summertime phenomenon, with the overall yearly movement of the grinding glaciers not changing, and actually dropping slightly in some places, when measured over longer time spans.If the findings in this study prove accurate, one of the cornerstones of the global warming myth will have been completely debunked.The work, the authors and other experts caution, does not mean that more widespread surface melting could not eventually destabilize vast areas of the world’s second-largest ice storehouse. But for the moment, the study, which is being published in Friday’s edition of the journal Science, throws into question the notion that abrupt ice losses in Greenland are nigh.
“The positive-feedback mechanism between melt rate and ice velocity appears to be a seasonal process that may have only a limited effect on the response of the ice sheet to climate warming over the next decades,” said the paper.
As such, I'm sure this will be headline and front-page news all weekend long once this paper is officially published. And, I imagine climate alarmists like Nobel Laureate Al Gore and NASA's James Hansen will not only be asked to comment about these new revelations, but will also be available for interviews with curious media members in the days ahead.
As this will likely not be the case, readers should keep an eye on NewsBusters for more details as they come available.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
Ice melts in the summer? Wow.
Ain’t Science wunnerful?
it is amazing how that climate thing works!
Ooops...notify Nancy Pelosi....she sees signs of global warming everywhere...
How about the ice free North Pole?
Rut Roh, what will James Hansen and ManBearPig point to in order to create panic?
Santa is deeply saddened.
Oh wait! There’s still lots of ice there!
Yea, but we all know summers are warmer BECAUSE of the global warming caused by everyone driving around during their summer vacations. The only real solution is MORE TAXES PLEASE!
All ten who are logged on the Internet this weekend will be greatly excited.
Yes, real science is wonderful.
B,B,But...It was on PBS!
In other breaking news:
1. Water freezes into ice in the winter.
2. Many places on Earth have experienced periods of "summer" and "winter" even before Bush was elected president or the invention of the SUV.
3. These periods of "summer" and "winter" may be affected by the Earth's natural rotation and something called "the sun."
4. Algore is an idiot.
CAP Carbon dioxide.
CAP fireworks!
TAX everything!
Send ManBearPig into exile!!
Doesn’t this study’s time period mesh quite nicely with our current ‘recess’ in the overall warming just lurking in the background?
We can’t afford to be suckered into this lull in the inevitable catastrophe that awaits...
As long as CO2 levels keep climbing annualy the eventual collapse of our environment as we know it becomes more certain with each milligram emitted.
LOL
Surely you’re not suggesting that this report was released this 4th of July weekend just to get lost in the ‘noise?’
This still won’t stop the UN & governments from implementing draconian measures to halt GW. Its just too big a potential source of tax revenue. Already the term in vogue is “climate change”, not global warming. This is perfect because the climate is always changing in one way or another.
We now stand at about 300 parts per million, which is a part every 3333.
150 parts per million is a part every 6666. Imagine lining up 6666 pieces of anything and throwing just one of something else in there. Is that really significant? In the case of weather could it really cause warming? Is there even any evidence that CO2 is a significant greenhouse gas? Certainly not as significant as water vapor. Man made global warming is a hoax.
I have to remember that phrase. "I know I should mow the lawn, but it's just a transient summertime phenomenon anyway."
"Global climate change" is so much more useful of a theory than either "global warming" or "global cooling" was.
Is it warmer today than usual? It is because of global climate change.
Is it cooler today than usual? It is because of global climate change.
Is it wetter, dryer, windier, less windy, cloudier, less cloudy? It doesn't matter. Whenever there is bad weather anywhere in the world, it is because of global climate change caused by Bush and those damned SUVs.
Women and minorities will be hardest hit.
You mean I shouldn’t have invested in the Baffin Island Club Med???
Yeah like those “threatened” polar bears. I just saw one living perfectly well in sunny San Diego. No special cooling environment just open air. The incredulity around the whole climate change issue is has passed ridiculousness. Does anyone who isn’t a child or woefully uninformed believe the alarmists? I almost forgot we have two of them running for President.
LOL! It’s not too late to sell off — maybe James Hansen will buy in.
Do the climate alarmist know that the phenomenon of ice melt has left the nation of Iceland almost devoid of ice except for a couple of glaciers? It would be a big help if the NY Times and all the other liberal rags stop killing trees and shut down their printing presses.
Too many “scientists” are hooked on government grants for their paychecks. The faux climate change hysteria would melt faster than Greenland’s summer ice if government welfare to scientists would dry up.
ping
The P-38 aircraft “Glacier Girl” was recovered from beneath 268 feet of ice that had accumulated over it in the time between its 1942 landing on the surface and 1992, when it was recovered.
The fact that this much ice had accumulated in almost 50 years, and that much ice must melt before we return to the level that existed in 1942 is entirely missed by the climate alarmists. Why? It simply proves them to be the fools they really are.
see:
http://p38assn.org/glacier-girl-recovery.htm
Poor Old Perfesser, wandered into a conservative site and thought he could sell global warming.
Your data is good. I also like to point out that global warming has been detected on Mars and Pluto
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html
http://seoblackhat.com/2007/03/04/global-warming-on-mars-pluto-triton-and-jupiter/
— which to an illeducated guy like me means that there are variations in Solar energy.
Sun’s Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html
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>”Poor Old Perfesser, wandered into a conservative site and thought he could sell global warming.”<
-I’m pretty sure Old Professor was just being sardonic. I’ve seen his posts on GW threads before; he’s not a believer.
It’s amazing that the Earth gets colder and warmer, too.
Kidding aside: This actually could be an important article - and I hope it continues to be borne out.
The New York Times pushed a pet liberal adgenda over the truth?
OMG
How can it be?
How can that be?
/sarcasm off
Don’t bring Old Professor into this please, I can’t speak for him; it is I to whom he referred and indeed I was merely mocking the popular mantra.
“Global warming” hoax BUMP!
Cooooollll...... ;-)
Large and Rapid Melt-Induced Velocity Changes in the Ablation Zone of the Greenland Ice Sheet link to abstract
Americans' unhappy birthday: 'Too much wrong'
Revkin & the Times are quick to link abstracts & articles when they like the subject. They didn't bother. I tried searching Science using Greenland as the term to search, but no luck. I had to read Revkin's article to find the author's name of the original article, and then do an author search. Is it just a coincidence that this article is buried in the July 4th weekend with the woe is us article from associated pap?
And volcanic activity has a 'melting effect' on ice?? Who knew! LOL!
From Ohio State University News, Dec 2007...
EARTH'S HEAT ADDS TO CLIMATE CHANGE TO MELT GREENLAND ICE
COLUMBUS , Ohio -- Scientists have discovered what they think may be another reason why Greenland 's ice is melting: a thin spot in Earth's crust is enabling underground magma to heat the ice.
They have found at least one “hotspot” in the northeast corner of Greenland -- just below a site where an ice stream was recently discovered.
The researchers don't yet know how warm the hotspot is. But if it is warm enough to melt the ice above it even a little, it could be lubricating the base of the ice sheet and enabling the ice to slide more rapidly out to sea.
Check this link out A-B182, sez ice melting on north pole due to underwater volcanic activity.
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5589
"Negotiating an underwater tunnel [beneath the ice] to gain the island's interior, those aboard U-33 are amazed to discover a tropical prehistoric world kept warm by volcanic forces. Here dinosaurs that should be long extinct live and roam, as do a curious race of humanoid savages that appear to exhibit all the various phases of Man's evolutionary development. To survive long enough to repair and replenish the U-boat, wartime enemies must put aside their differences and cooperate with one another. But not everyone is playing from the Kumbaya songbook... The Land That Time Forgot is a thoroughly old fashioned sci-fi/fantasy adventure of the type they weren't really making anymore even in 1975. A lot of this has to do with the script sticking to Burroughs' Victorian style. (His Caprona tales were first published in 1918; as late as World War II he'd still be cranking out novels in the writing style of the 19th Century.) The film's a throwback to the likes of the original King Kong and potboilers such as Unknown Island (1948) and The Land Unknown (1957), only in color."
http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/cult_movies/land_time_forgot.htm
Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor: study
June 25, 2008 | AFP
Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.
The eruptions -- as big as the one that buried Pompei -- took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.
Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms.
But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished.
What they saw was unmistakable evidence of explosive eruptions rather than the gradual secretion of lava bubbling up from Earth's mantle onto the ocean floor.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080625/sc_afp/sciencegeologyoceansvolcano
Now if we can just back the awards and money given to Al Gore for pushing this scam.
The democrats and socialists only get flown to those that are retreating. the newspapers only write about those they can get pictures of - with (democrat politicians standing in the forefront.)
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So for perspective:
Greenland Ice Sheet Slams the Brakes On (the last two paragraphs have a dissenting viewpoint)
From dotEarth (Revkin's blog):
A tempered view of Greenland's gushing drainpipes (recommend reading the whole thing -- particularly the 10:15 PM update and notably posts 94 and 140 in the discussion).
This is a quote from post 94 in the discussion. I underlined a couple of noteworthy words and bolded a particularly noteworthy phrase:
"First of all, the measurements were made on a transect that was oriented East-West at a latitude of 67 deg. N on the East coast of Greenland. This region has been identified by three seperated bodies of measurement as being roughly in mass balance (no net melting or ice accumulation). The 2006 reports of acceleration of ice mass loss have been located on the West coast of Greenland, and thus the measurements made by these authors (that average ice velocities have declined slightly) do not represent a contradiciton to the overall state of an increase in the rate of mass loss on the Greenland ice cap. The authors may have had a good reason for measuring here as opposed to West Greenland. For one thing, their data collection was established in 1991, more than a decade before GRACE measurements identified accelerating ice loss in Western Greenland. This work is a continuation of a long term project."
The next paragraph of this post indicates that in the paper itself, the authors measured a 17% increase in "surface loss" due to "surface melting" over the 17-year period of the study.
So, in summary, it's a dang shame when this science thing gets in the way of a perfectly good skeptical talking point (even though the NY Times provided it).
RE: >”I did some searching, and the picture is not as rosy as might be believed from Mr. Noel Sheppard. The main thing to note is that there’s a difference between melt and ice sheet flow. Greenland is still melting, and at an increasing rate, which is actually one result reported in the paper itself.”<
-dang, Cog! always the pessimist!
;^D
Jeez, I have been watching that live video feed from the Artic day and night for weeks now. It is wearing me out but I don't want to miss it when it does happen.
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