Posted on 06/23/2008 1:53:46 PM PDT by george76
Wolves, on the other hand, are another story, he said. The ( CANADIAN ) wolves were forced into Yellowstone by an act of Congress, not by Mother Nature...
Now that they have discovered the lush Dunoir Valley, the wolves have repeatedly chased cattle and killed at least eight dogs and a 2-week-old paint colt on the Diamond G.
The financial loss is somewhat compensated by the group Defenders of Wildlife, which reimburses ranchers full market value for confirmed wolf kills. Officials, however, sometimes cannot confidently determine the cause of death, so some losses are not compensated.
The killings take their emotional toll, too.
“We don’t want to lose our dogs to them,” Robinett said. “We don’t want to lose our horses to them.”
Further, the threat of wolf attacks means the Robinetts must devote many hours monitoring their herds. They hire extra hands in the summer, patrol the pastures at night, and keep vigilant watch for the wolves...
Environmentalists from around the West were outraged. Some even called the Robinetts with death threats.
http://www.jacksonholenet.com/news/jackson_hole_news_02-16-00.php
One of these was shot in residential Chicago 2 months ago and there was a huge uproar because the animal wasn’t tranqualized.
Ok, Osage(the best long bows ever), I realize I should have said Browning BAR, semi-auto 30-06, it was the best rifle I have ever owned. It shot .75 inch groups at 100 yards with 180 grain Hornadys, and a few grains of 4895(can’t remember the exact load) when I first bought it. Later the groups opened up a bit but some SOB took it from me when I was gone. Hunt with a Ruger M77, 300 win Mag now. (and various other rifles of lesser caliber including black powder).
Stray dogs killed a woman jogger in a Chicago suburb about 5 years ago. She was in a forest perserve early one morning.
If you’d like to be on or off this Upper Midwest/outdoors/rural list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.
In your hyperlink there are these 6 headline before we read that a mountain line was feeding on a man:
Blazes scorch N.M. landscape
Obama to stop by Albuquerque
Caution advised with tomatoes
NNMC to offer free concerts in July
Iraq veteran gets reduced sentence
Former judge’s charges lessened
Puma believed to have eaten man
Very good article you linked at post #41, the reply feature doesn’t work there.
What is brought out in that article is why wolves were annihilated in much of our country in the first place though the enviros will never understand that.
They want humans that live in those areas out so animals have free reign.
Perhaps you could sit down with the cat, without preconditions, and negotiate a deal with him.
I'm not a big game hunter. Don't own any hi-power rifles, 'cept two target .223's. Don't get to spend a lot of time in the woods. But I know better than to try and pet something that's a link or two higher than me on the food chain.
Are you saying you don’t think that wolves should be in Yellowstone?
I should think giant, beautiful Yellowstone should be allowed to have all its original species.
I read that something like there has never been a confirmed human killing by a wolf in North America.
Pay the ranchers what’s proper, but make Yellowstone as gloriously natural as we can.
Let me guess... There’s no hound hunting for cougar in New Mexico?
There is.
But folks are thin on the gound. 5th largest state with still less than 2 million people.
Sooner or later some critter will be hungry enough.
“But We now know that if we are going to have [mountain lions] around, maybe they’re going to eat us every now and then. I’m comfortable with that.”
This idiot needs to be used for bait — chum.
If he’s so COMFORTABLE with it, he can volunteer!!!
Several years ago I wrote an article about a man that hunted all over the world in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50’s till the 1990s, when he was killed (at a ripe old age in Louisiana in a boating accident while duck hunting).
In the 1930s or so (I don’t remember the details right this moment) this wonderful man, conservationist, who gave many millions $$$ to wildlife conversation, went hunting in Africa. A bunch of African bush people from one village asked him for help, because a BIG cat, a lion, was killing villagers. They presented him with the body of the lion’s latest victim.
This man, and his African guides, used the corpse of the latest killed by the lion to bait the cat. He shot it, and was a hero in that village.
“Yellowstone should be allowed to have all its original species.”
These are Canadian wolves that often are twice the size, weight, and strength of American wolves.
Myrddin knows the sizes better than me.
Should predators also be introduced from Africa, Asia...?
Never a confirmed human killing by a wolf in North America ?
Do a search as I will send you a few also.
OK, though I see in other posts that they think somebody has been *feeding* it? Yikes. There’s a recipe for trouble, right there.
“Pay the ranchers what’s proper, but make Yellowstone as gloriously natural as we can.”
I tell you what you need to do, quit your current job and become a REAL naturalist.
You can volunteer (or get paid) to be the bait, can wander into the wilderness on the privately owned property where REAL people have to deal with the fantasies of those who want to see the Garden of Eden exist in today’s world.
Most people like you have only seen wildlife from a distance, on a Discovery Channel documentary or the Animal Channel.
We have lots of public land set aside for animals. Yellowstone is one of them, although we do have a tourist industry close by that creates lots of jobs and sustains life for humans. If you want some REAL nature, wander back into the millions of acres in GRIZZLY territory, instead of sitting in your car.
You’ll get to see some “original” species, probably more than you care to. Try having a sporpion crawl across your face (I have). There is a place for wildlife preservation (and we have more public land for this than since the 1800s) and it’s a good thing.
But it’s so easy for those who don’t know what the *** they are talking about, don’t have to deal with it, to be so . . . enlightened about these things.
The father of an Ontario man killed in a wolf attack in northern Saskatchewan says it’s a relief to finally have the truth come out.
A coroner’s jury in Prince Albert ruled Thursday that wolves killed Kenton Carnegie in November 2005.
The 22-year-old University of Waterloo engineering student had been on a work-term ...
An expert, who prepared a report for the coroner’s office, said it was more likely a bear killed Carnegie. But in the end, the jury dismissed that notion, declaring it a wolf attack.
“Kenton was an honest man,” he said. “His life was honest, we didn’t want his life to be dishonest. We wanted the truth of his death to be made public.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921038/posts
A kayaker’s life-and-death struggle with a hungry wolf on B.C.’s remote north coast... has prompted a conservation officer to warn against taking wolf encounters too lightly.
“This was a predatory wolf attack,” conservation officer James Zucchelli confirmed in an interview from his Bella Coola Valley office. “That fellow was perceived as a prey source. He was attacked with intent to eat. The wolf saw him and took off running at him.”
the attack reinforces the fact that wolves are predators and capable of attacking humans under certain circumstances...
The fit, 31-year-old Port Moody kayaker was setting up his tent on a beach at 4 p.m. in the Anderson Islands off northwest Aristazabal Island, a straight-line distance of about 125 km north of Bella Bella, when an old female wolf emerged from the bushes and attacked, ...
The kayaker fought with the wolf for a few long minutes, suffering bites to his leg and hands as he attempted to pry its jaws apart and put it in a headlock.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1875274/posts
The nearly 60,000-acre ranch, which includes deeded land and Forest Service allotments, is located
That's not Yellowstone, it's a private ranch where they try to make a living.
No (ducking) but I did read that comment from that one freeper about “native species.”
So I guess I need to refrain from posting now. I really need to go outside and water my garden. I hope I get to hear a “native” hoot owl while out there.
Did you know hoot “great barred” owls are outcompeting the endangered “spotted” owls in the west?
Okay, I quit. I need to go water now (grin)
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