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Earth Will Survive After All, Physicists Say
NY Times ^ | June 21, 2008 | DENNIS OVERBYE

Posted on 06/22/2008 11:44:33 AM PDT by neverdem

That black hole that was going to eat the Earth? Forget about it, and keep making the mortgage payments — those of you who still have them.

A new particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider scheduled to go into operation this fall outside Geneva, is no threat to the Earth or the universe, according to a new safety review approved Friday by the governing council of the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or Cern, which is building the collider.

“There is no basis for any concerns about the consequences of new particles or forms of matter that could possibly be produced by the LHC,” five physicists who comprised the safety assessment group wrote in their report. Whatever the collider will do, they said, Nature has already done many times over.

The report is available at http://lsag.web.cern.ch/lsag/LSAG-Report.pdf.

The physicists, who labored anonymously for the last year and a half, are John Ellis, Michelangelo Mangano, Gian Giudice and Urs Wiedemann, of Cern, and Igor Tkachev, of the Institute for Nuclear Research in Moscow. In a press release, Cern’s director general Robert Aymar said, “With this report, the Laboratory has fulfilled every safety and environmental evaluation necessary to ensure safe operation of this exciting new research facility.”

It is full speed ahead, they say, on the new machine, which is designed to accelerate protons, the building blocks of ordinary matter, to energies of 7 trillion electron volts and then bang them together to produce tiny primordial fireballs, miniature versions of the Big Bang. Physicists will comb the detritus from those fireballs in search of forces and particles and even new laws of nature that might have prevailed during the first trillionth of a second of time.

Some critics have argued, however, that Cern has ignored or downplayed the risk that the collider could...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cern; chickenlittle; largehadroncollider; lhc; particlecollider; physics; stringtheory; theskyisfalling; weredoomed
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1 posted on 06/22/2008 11:44:33 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Oh sure it’ll survive the LHC, but won’t it be destroyed by global warming?


2 posted on 06/22/2008 11:47:44 AM PDT by HarryCaul (Verify Possums! Pogo's Enemy is Us!)
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To: neverdem
A real danger is the black hole poised to destroy the USA in November.

3 posted on 06/22/2008 11:52:59 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: neverdem

4 posted on 06/22/2008 12:02:21 PM PDT by Nick Danger (Ding dong the witch is dead!)
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To: neverdem
Earth Will Survive After All, Physicists Say

Whew. I can finally get on with my life.

5 posted on 06/22/2008 12:11:00 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: neverdem

If they are wrong, we will never know.


6 posted on 06/22/2008 12:13:34 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: neverdem

In other words, “Don’t worry... The guy we paid $300,000 last year to do a study that revealed that there are such things as micro black holes was wrong. And our newest $300,000 study shows that they can’t really exist.”


7 posted on 06/22/2008 12:18:40 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: I see my hands

From your lips, to Gods ears.


8 posted on 06/22/2008 12:19:08 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now, or face the hangman.)
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To: neverdem
Okay...now I'm worried!
9 posted on 06/22/2008 12:23:58 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: razorback-bert

Yes, we will. The black hole will initially be so tiny that it will take 600 years to swallow the whole planet.


10 posted on 06/22/2008 12:28:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: neverdem

OK. Then I won’t be canceling my Netflix account.


11 posted on 06/22/2008 12:30:50 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: I see my hands
A real danger is the black 'hole poised to destroy the USA in November.

That's the post of the week.

12 posted on 06/22/2008 12:34:43 PM PDT by FredZarguna (I'm taking Grandma's advice and I'm holding my nose, John, stop sticking your finger down my throat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Well, back on my worry list it goes.


13 posted on 06/22/2008 12:44:38 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: neverdem

Of course, this report only deals with the ‘known unknowns’, and doesn’t address any ‘unknown unknowns’, as our poetic and philosophically perceptive one-time Sec. Def. would have put it.

Work at the LHC is research isn’t it? As Einstein pointed out “If we knew what we were doing, we wouldn’t call it research.”


14 posted on 06/22/2008 12:52:14 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: neverdem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

A black hole the weight of a car (~ 10-24 m) would only take a nanosecond to evaporate, during which time it would briefly have a luminosity more than 200 times that of the sun. Lighter black holes are expected to evaporate even faster, for example a black hole of mass 1 TeV/c2 would take less than 10^-88 seconds to evaporate completely.

I doubt a black hole the size of a TeV particle would last long enough to have any matter accretion

15 posted on 06/22/2008 12:52:31 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: neverdem
But have they examined ALL the possible scenarios?
16 posted on 06/22/2008 12:57:38 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
US Health Official Says Bird Flu Threat High (CDC) Many of the comments on the thread are dead on.

Sex, cleaner of genomes

Chromosome rearrangements not as random as believed

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17 posted on 06/22/2008 1:01:26 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem
A new particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider scheduled to go into operation this fall outside Geneva, is no threat to the Earth or the universe, according to a new safety review approved Friday by the governing council of the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or Cern, which is building the collider.

Sure...that's what they WANT us to think.

18 posted on 06/22/2008 1:09:53 PM PDT by pcottraux (I can't tell the difference between Carl Cameron, Chris Wallace, or Bill McCuddy.)
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To: neverdem

Well, if they do accidentally create a mini black hole, we won’t know about it for months, perhaps even years.

The particle would head off in whichever direction its initial momentum sends it - through whatever is in its path. For the most part, zipping right through walls, SUV’s or whatever and heading into space. As gravity acts slowly to slow it down, and eventually it will loop back around...

For the most part - it will be so small it will even zip through molecules and atoms - right through the space between the electron cloud and the neutrons/protons in the center. Every once in a while, it will run into something, swallowing it up. Becoming slightly larger.

That process will continue. The tiny, undetectible black hole zooming around in some sort of earth orbit. Slowly growing.

Eventually, it will grow to the point where it will begin to slow, and more quickly gobble up other matter.

When it reaches a certain size, we’ll notice it. It will begin to have detectible effects on satellites. We’ll realize then — the assurances from the EU scientists were not correct.

But there will be nothing at that point, which can be done.

The black hole will slowly approach earth. Once it slows and reaches the surface, it will sink to the center of the planet, and begin to grow.

Probably at that point, earth will last a few more hours.

The EU is being profoundly irresponsible, IMHO.

I think this is all about one-upping America - and they couldn’t care less about the risk.

It’s just about ego.

Nothing more.


19 posted on 06/22/2008 1:11:55 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 107 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: The_Reader_David
Of course, this report only deals with the ‘known unknowns’, and doesn’t address any ‘unknown unknowns’, as our poetic and philosophically perceptive one-time Sec. Def. would have put it.

Work at the LHC is research isn’t it? As Einstein pointed out “If we knew what we were doing, we wouldn’t call it research.”

Exactly! That's worth repeating. We don't know what we don't know, but if the worst happens, a black hole is created, who and what would remain to suffer any consequences?

20 posted on 06/22/2008 1:12:57 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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