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Guns missing from HAFB are found
KSL-TV, Salt Lake ^ | June 6th, 2008 @ 4:00pm | Marc Giauque and Sandra Yi

Posted on 06/07/2008 6:30:29 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

A missing case of military assault rifles has turned up on Hill Air Force Base, but officials still don't know who took them.

Whoever took them had a change of heart. He brought the weapons back for base officials to find this morning.

Maj. Shannon Smith, air base wing security commander, said, "What we think happened was this was a crime of opportunity."

An early-morning phone call led base officials to the missing M-16 rifles. Smith said, "We think that he saw some of these news reports and decided the best thing to do was bring the weapons back."

Whoever it was, that person returned to the base and left the case at the horse stables, about a half mile from the Roy Gate. The man called the base at 5:45 this morning from a pay phone in Layton.

"He brought them out there because he thought that was a place he could drop them off, be undetected and get off base, and then a couple hours later, call us up and let us know where they were at," Smith said.

He left an apology note in the case.

Smith said, "The case was intact. All 12 weapons were intact. The serial numbers all matched the serial numbers of the missing weapons."

Base officials believe the man had the weapons for two days, that's when the case fell off a Humvee.

Members of the 729th Air Control Squadron were returning from a training exercise and left the tailgate down. Smith said, "We've had no incidents in any recent history of any lost weapons, so our procedures were sound. This was just a simple mistake."

He says anyone moving weapons will use a checklist to prevent this from happening again.

It's just one embarrassing mistake that's affected the Air Force's image. But officials say they're isolated incidents, and they're learning from them.

Air Base Wing Commander Linda Medler said, "As we look at each incident, we will make improvements, and we will move forward, and we will continue to be the best Air Force in the world."

Officials say this is still an ongoing investigation. They are trying to identify the man and urge him to come forward.

Based on his description, officials believe he's not a member of the military, but he has a credential to get on the base. He could face charges.

E-mail: mgiauque@ksl.com E-mail: syi@ksl.com


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: banglist; hillafb; usaf
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I'm glad Hill AFB got the rifles back. Kind of embarrassing to lose them off the back of a truck.
1 posted on 06/07/2008 6:30:29 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

BTTT


2 posted on 06/07/2008 6:34:51 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

They fell off of a Humvee and no one noticed? They were taken off of the base and then returned to the base, and once again no one noticed.
SECDEF Gates doesn’t have enough time left to jerk the slack out of the Air Force.


3 posted on 06/07/2008 6:35:26 AM PDT by em2vn
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I was wondering about that, too. A case of 12 M-16s has got to be fairly heavy. I would’ve thought that you’d hear the thump when they dropped.


4 posted on 06/07/2008 6:41:42 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberals: can't live with them, can't ship them to Syria.)
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To: em2vn
----He says anyone moving weapons will use a checklist to prevent this from happening again.--

--yeah, guess I better make myself a checklist. Might leave something at the range next time I go shooting---(snicker, giggle)

5 posted on 06/07/2008 6:47:19 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I would’ve thought that you’d hear the thump

Remember, this was the Air Force.
The windows were up, the AC was on, and the stereo was on too loud.

6 posted on 06/07/2008 6:55:19 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: ASA Vet
Remember, this was the Air Force. The windows were up, the AC was on, and the stereo was on too loud.

Some truth in this, as in, why was I in the Air Force? So I didn't have to be in the Army. All the bases I was on had swimming pools but none had horse stables.

7 posted on 06/07/2008 7:02:26 AM PDT by libertylover
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

They do arms room checks all the time. That is how they know what is missing.


8 posted on 06/07/2008 7:05:53 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
This is a Rifle


9 posted on 06/07/2008 7:06:38 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Adding this mishap to the list of recent Air Force mistakes (warhead detonators mistakenly shipped to Taiwan, unkowingly flying nuke tipped missiles across the US on a B-52) is not making a good case for their command structure.

I know crap happens, but this is becoming ridiculous for a military organization. Maybe the Marine Corps should take over running the Air Force- I’ll bet the number of boo-boos would drop significantly.


10 posted on 06/07/2008 7:22:41 AM PDT by Kolb
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To: libertylover
I spent the better part of 7 out of 13 years supporting ground pounders from a nice "centrally located" large USAF facility "near" Europe. The U.S. Army complained like hell about us having A.C. and a regular supply of 60HZ power, but their command structure kept it's connection to the DCS, their AUTODIN functioned, and we would send them things they needed. We were essential to their comms staying up.

I always like supporting Marines. They didn't complain.

Let the Army bitch and complain that they were somehow better for sleeping in tents, freezing to death, and then roasting to death...getting rained on and so forth. In the end, all we're left with is grey in our beards, thinning hair and bragging rights. ...not a whole hell of a lot IMHO.
11 posted on 06/07/2008 7:23:00 AM PDT by hiredhand
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“none had horse stables.”

You just never took the time to find out if they had stables.

Every stateside base and most overseas bases have stables, paid for and maintained by the owners of the animals. It is called recreation services or something similar (AF calls it morale and welfare services).

Even Tooele Army Depot, in Utah, with about 10 military I am guessing, has a stable.

.....Bob


12 posted on 06/07/2008 7:26:17 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: Squantos
Check it out...up at the top. It's the old proverbial fell off the back of a truck... story....LITERALLY this time! :-)

Yeah right... and there's cheese on the moon and little green men on Mars too! :-)
13 posted on 06/07/2008 7:39:49 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: ASA Vet

I’m in love with your nice ... err .. niece.


14 posted on 06/07/2008 7:44:40 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

This is the same base where about 14 years ago a sergeant tried to steal an F-16 engine from the depot.


15 posted on 06/07/2008 7:45:49 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: knarf

She’s not my niece, I stole the image on google.


16 posted on 06/07/2008 7:47:00 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Officials ... urge him to come forward.

He could face charges.

I hope he isn't stupid enough to come forward. Of course, it appears that the 'officials' don't want to know who he is. If they wanted to catch him, they'd urge him to come forward to collect a reward, and then arrest him.

17 posted on 06/07/2008 7:47:07 AM PDT by PAR35
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"She’s not my niece, I stole the image on google."

Probably best for the both of us.

18 posted on 06/07/2008 8:17:09 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: PAR35

Yeah, this guy is going to turn himself in (not). From what I’m hearing from my co-workers, having possession of an illegal machine gun gets you 10 years in federal prison on each count, so this dude is facing a life sentence. They’re going to have to catch him, and they probably will. Between his handwritten apology letter and whatever fingerprints he left on the case, they’ll find out who this dude is. The only chance in hell this guy has of not going to the clinker for a real long time is that he gave the rifles back.


19 posted on 06/07/2008 10:32:46 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberals: can't live with them, can't ship them to Syria.)
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If he lawyers up quick enough, the story should be that he found the box and took it home, but was busy and didn’t open it right then. When he heard the news, he found out what he had, and gave it back as quick as he could, but was too scared to turn them in to the cops.

Of course, if it turns out its the guy driving the truck, that probably wouldn’t work.


20 posted on 06/07/2008 10:41:50 AM PDT by PAR35
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