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Climate-Change Collapse
Wall Street Journal ^ | 6/6/08 | Stephen Moore

Posted on 06/06/2008 7:28:08 PM PDT by steelyourfaith

Environmentalists are stunned that their global warming agenda is in collapse. Senator Harry Reid has all but conceded he lacks the vote for passage in the Senate and that it's time to move on. Backers of the Warner-Lieberman cap-and-trade bill always knew they would face a veto from President Bush, but they wanted to flex their political muscle and build momentum for 2009. That strategy backfired. The green groups now look as politically intimidating as the skinny kid on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; capandtrade; climatechange; climatesecurityact; congress; globalwarming; mccain; mccainposition; reid; ussenate; warnerlieberman
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To: steelyourfaith

This is worthy of a celebration.

We have been spared, at least temporarily, from the effects of supreme idiocy.


41 posted on 06/06/2008 8:45:06 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: Burkean
I don’t understand why they can’t be satisfied with a happy medium that pushes whatever they can all agree on

Because the goal of modern "environmentalism" isn't to protect the ecosystem--it's to destroy capitalism. Protection of the ecosystem is merely the excuse.

42 posted on 06/06/2008 8:50:06 PM PDT by supercat
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To: preacher
They won’t stop their campaign untill the economy totally collapses.

Even then, they won't stop it, they'll just enforce it at the point of guns, lots of guns.

43 posted on 06/06/2008 9:19:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Burkean
They are Watermelons, Green on the outside, but Red on the inside. Explains a lot. Some of the same people were touting the same basic “solutions” back before GoreBull invented “Global Warming” and “Global Cooling” was all the rage. Actually based simply on long term historical patterns, I believe Global Cooling to be quite real, sometime soon, in a geological sense. Soon could be starting now, or in a millennium or two. Although by the historical pattern, we are already a little overdue.
44 posted on 06/06/2008 9:26:06 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Parmy

Same thing down here in the Bay Area. Still waiting for it to warm up. It’s been 5 - 7 degrees below normal for a long time. Nights in the high 40s.


45 posted on 06/06/2008 9:28:49 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: television is just wrong
been a long time since gas was .10 a gallon in Iran or Iraq.
Iraq is about 1.36 gallon now, Iran was about 60 cent a gallon for rationed gas in November 2007.

Strange cause iran doesn't have decent refineries and Iraq does. You'd think Iran's gas would be more expensive.

46 posted on 06/06/2008 9:34:58 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: steelyourfaith
God bless Mitch McConnell!

But now is not the time to celebrate, now is the time to go for the throat on the rabid EnviroNazis....they aim at nothing less than pure Socialism!

47 posted on 06/06/2008 9:47:17 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: Parmy
>>>It is going to be 40 degrees tonight.

It's at least 6-8 degrees below normal in Seattle. Check the sun....Rurudyne does a great job tracking the suns warming force.

Rurudyne's Daily Global Cooling Watch!
Sun's low magnetic activity may portend an ice age http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1969680/posts

It's taking a break.....and it hasn't told Al.

48 posted on 06/06/2008 9:59:15 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: zacharycole
The problem with one sentence solutions to the worlds problems is that they usually aren't very well thought out.

Just a bit of embellishment of the idea might help...

49 posted on 06/06/2008 10:05:54 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

greenies call it global change now. That way they can not be wrong.


50 posted on 06/06/2008 10:13:13 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: steelyourfaith
If gasoline at $4.00 a gallon is causing economic stresses, just wait until we have gas at $5.00 a gallon - as projected for July. Stock market took a huge dump today as the price/barrel went up to $135. I'm thinking this is the beginning of a cascading economic collapse - all thanks the to morons on Washington who presume to govern us.
51 posted on 06/06/2008 10:23:50 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (The object is to come home alive!)
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To: the anti-liberal
Sunspots


52 posted on 06/06/2008 10:25:31 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick
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To: Steve Van Doorn
greenies call it global change now. That way they can not be wrong

Yeah, but it's too late - - the pretentious "climate change" handle will be adopted about as fast as the "progressive" handle was when the scumbags tried to rename themselves from "liberal".

53 posted on 06/06/2008 10:31:24 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Humble Servant
Even John McCain, a cap-and-trade original co-sponsor, now says that this scheme won't fly until China and India sign on – which could be never.

McCain knows China will never sign on to anything that would interfere with their economic growth. I think he signed on knowing this would not go anywhere. This gives him some political cover with those sympathetic to to environmental issues. There are many like that who vote.

54 posted on 06/06/2008 11:07:40 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Lancey Howard

yeah and libs are about as “progressive” as Islam.


55 posted on 06/06/2008 11:22:55 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: steelyourfaith

ping


56 posted on 06/06/2008 11:26:12 PM PDT by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: steelyourfaith

We need to pick off every democRAT that voted for this treasonous POS. (We’ll come back for the rinos in 2010).


57 posted on 06/07/2008 12:53:18 AM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama, or McCain.)
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To: Burkean
I don’t understand why they can’t be satisfied with a happy medium that pushes whatever they can all agree on

Like most politicians, give them an inch, and they'll take your smile.
58 posted on 06/07/2008 12:56:45 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: steelyourfaith

Speaking of masterful Republican senators — here’s an editorial praising TN senator Bob Corker.


Kingsport Times News Editorial: Corker stands firm against Green Pork Bill
June 5, 2008

In his general election kickoff speech Tuesday, Sen. John McCain said Congress is out of touch and too often acts in support of special interests, rather than in the best interests of America.

There is no better example than the Boxer-Warner-Lieberman Green Pork Bill, which was being debated in the U.S. Senate even as Sen. McCain spoke. This sorry piece of legislation would, as Tennessee’s Sen. Bob Corker told senators Tuesday, represent the largest transfer of taxpayer wealth in the history of the republic, sending billions of dollars to special interests which have nothing whatsoever to do with energy.

It boggles the mind that even as the price of a gallon of gasoline is headed to $4, some senators support artificially raising it, and not only for gasoline, not only for food, but for everything we consume.

Supporters of the bill say it will combat global warming by reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The bill places a limit on carbon emissions beginning in 2012 to reduce them by approximately 70 percent by 2050. That goal would be accomplished through a cap-and-trade scheme that would create a new artificial market — and a de facto value-added tax costing trillions of dollars — on carbon emissions.

A closed system of carbon credits would be overseen by a board of five people — imagine, five people with the power to transfer trillions of dollars hither and yon. Like the Fed with the nation’s money supply, the Carbon Market Efficiency Board would have the ability to control the overall supply of carbon credits.

These carbon credits would be manipulated by the board through a combination of industry allowances and auctions. In theory, this would create an economic incentive for manufacturers and utilities to become “greener” over time as the supply of carbon credits is reduced by the board and the effective price of the value of the remaining credits increases.

But for all its free-market language, the bill is the epitome of big government command-and-control. The cap-and-trade paradigm it mandates will raise the cost of energy in every form, sending many Americans to the poorhouse.

This bill must be killed outright. Shame on Virginia’s John Warner for supporting it. Kudos to Tennessee’s Bob Corker who stood as a voice of reason and common sense on the Senate floor Tuesday.

Even if environmental advocates are right that manmade sources of carbon dioxide are a significant factor in global warming — something many scientists find dubious — creating a taxing scheme that will cost Americans trillions of dollars over the next generation is an unnecessarily destructive way to approach the problem.

Short of defeating this bill Mr. Corker,who has taken up the mantle on this boondoggle and become something of an authority on the cap-and-trade paradigm, will attach amendments that will help save us by returning money “directly to the pockets of the American people who will bear the brunt of the costs associated with cap-and-trade.”

The Corker amendments would provide direct relief to American consumers by eliminating free allowances — worth more than a trillion dollars — to entities that have nothing to do with reducing carbon emissions, and eliminate the use of international offsets to meet emissions reductions.

Even so, the Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act of 2008 will impose a unilateral energy straitjacket on the nation’s economy. This bill is, as former Speaker Newt Gingrich terms it, a “massive, special-interest-favoring, lobbyingcontrolled, political pork dispensing machine, dressed up as environmentalism” or as the Wall Street Journal calls it, “the most extensive government reorganization of the American economy since the 1930s.”

The National Association of Manufacturers estimates that the bill will cause gasoline prices to almost double, electricity prices to increase by nearly half by 2030.

We have come to a sorry point in America when a bill like this can make it even to the point of debate. Thanks, Sen. Corker,for looking out for us — not only on this bill but on his vote yesterday against the fiscal year 2009 budget resolution.

Corker said of that vote: “After 17 months in office, I am convinced there is absolutely no construct for fiscal discipline at the federal level. We have to get our country’s fiscal situation under control by making more disciplined and honest fiscal decisions, and it is my hope that in the near future we will work in a bipartisan manner to put mechanisms in place to do so. A good first step would be not cooking the books and using budget gimmickry to manipulate the numbers just so things look better than they actually are.”

We need more senators like Bob Corker in Washington.


59 posted on 06/07/2008 12:56:47 AM PDT by zipper
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To: Parmy

In Phoenix on Thursday, it was 10 degrees below the average high (91 instead of 101). It will be back to normal this weekend. If I could, I would send you an extra 10 degrees of heat. Maybe Al Gore can do it. LOL!!!


60 posted on 06/07/2008 1:31:28 AM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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