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Footprints In The Ash (Human-Mexico-40,000-YA)
Science News ^ | 5-29-2008 | Sid Perkins

Posted on 05/31/2008 12:25:17 PM PDT by blam

Footprints in the ash

By Sid Perkins
May 29th, 2008

Humans may have been walking around what is now central Mexico 40,000 years ago

HUMAN PRINTS

Footprints (one left) left in volcanic ash that fell in central Mexico’s Valsequillo Basin about 40,000 years could be evidence that humans have inhabited the Americas far longer than previously confirmed. Laser scans of the prints (right) confirm their human origins, the researchers report today at the American Geophysical Union meeting.

Footprints left in volcanic ash that fell in central Mexico’s Valsequillo Basin about 40,000 years ago are evidence that humans have inhabited the Americas far longer than previously confirmed, a new study suggests.

Analyses of three-dimensional laser scans of the imprints (example at right) confirm their human origin, says Silvia Gonzalez, a geoarchaeologist at Liverpool John Moores University in England.

Previous finds of human remains elsewhere in the region couldn’t be precisely dated because they were found in layers of mixed gravels that probably incorporated materials of many different ages.

However, a new analysis of the coarse-grained, print-ridden volcanic ash — which would have hardened quickly after it fell, says Gonzalez — strongly suggest the material fell around 40,000 years ago, she and her colleagues reported today in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union.

Excavations at several sites have suggested that humans have inhabited the Western Hemisphere for at least 20,000 years, but results suggesting dates of occupation before 14,000 years ago typically haven’t been confirmed and remain controversial.

Nevertheless, says Gonzalez, recent excavations at a site in Baja California have unearthed a rock shelter containing heaps of shells that have been carbon-dated as 44,000 years old, a finding that bolsters the notion that people lived throughout the region about 40 millennia ago.

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1 posted on 05/31/2008 12:25:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I assume these footprints are pointed North.


2 posted on 05/31/2008 12:26:56 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Previous posting on this subject:

Alleged 40,000-Year-Old Human Footprints In Mexico Much, Much Older Than Thought

3 posted on 05/31/2008 12:27:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; Coyoteman
Thanks Bill, another excellent find.

Doc, what are your thoughts on this?

4 posted on 05/31/2008 12:28:20 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Nothing is better than a young, nubile, little Asian Girlie, except maybe her little sister.)
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To: blam
I don't ordinarilly do this, but as a born again Christian, and an obvious creationist, I always marvel at the wording of these kinds of articles ... and the theories they "support" or propose.


Footprints (one left) left in volcanic ash that fell in central Mexico’s Valsequillo Basin about 40,000 years could be evidence that humans have inhabited the Americas far longer than previously confirmed. Laser scans of the prints (right) confirm their human origins, the researchers report today at the American Geophysical Union meeting.

Footprints left in volcanic ash that fell in central Mexico’s Valsequillo Basin about 40,000 years ago are evidence that humans have inhabited the Americas far longer than previously confirmed, a new study suggests.

Analyses of three-dimensional laser scans of the imprints (example at right) confirm their human origin, says Silvia Gonzalez, a geoarchaeologist at Liverpool John Moores University in England.

Previous finds of human remains elsewhere in the region couldn’t be precisely dated because they were found in layers of mixed gravels that probably incorporated materials of many different ages.

However, a new analysis of the coarse-grained, print-ridden volcanic ash — which would have hardened quickly after it fell, says Gonzalez — strongly suggest the material fell around 40,000 years ago, she and her colleagues reported today in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union.

Excavations at several sites have suggested that humans have inhabited the Western Hemisphere for at least 20,000 years, but results suggesting dates of occupation before 14,000 years ago typically haven’t been confirmed and remain controversial.

Nevertheless, says Gonzalez, recent excavations at a site in Baja California have unearthed a rock shelter containing heaps of shells that have been carbon-dated as 44,000 years old, a finding that bolsters the notion that people lived throughout the region about 40 millennia ago.


Could'a, might'a, maybe .. does, is, suggests, confirms ....

No wonder people are confused.

It's so easy to accept God and His word and the most generally accepted dates of recent creation and 10,000 or so years of existence.

5 posted on 05/31/2008 12:41:26 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: blam; big'ol_freeper
I have always been of the mind that humans got to the Americas much earlier than the Clovis Culture. To come into an empty landscape as big as the North and South American continents (28.4% of its land area of earth) and to fill it with all the different tribes and cultures as found by the Spaniards, English and later explorers would require much longer than the 14,000 years generally given as the earliest date for human arrival in Paleoindian New Mexico.
6 posted on 05/31/2008 12:45:09 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

It only took the Europeans about 300 years, mostly moving on foot.


7 posted on 05/31/2008 1:11:27 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Grut

That’s racist! ;-)


8 posted on 05/31/2008 1:22:34 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( Uh...fight SCD. Schwa Collapse Disorder is spreading. Save the a word. Just say uh.)
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To: Navy Patriot

LOL.


9 posted on 05/31/2008 1:29:36 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: knarf
...and 10,000 or so years of existence...

You are, of course, totally entitled to your religious beliefs. However, the oldest historical culture is the Sumerian, which arose in the Mesopotamian region (the delta region formed by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers) about 6,000 years ago. We know without any doubt that human pre-history extends over 200,000 years. The oldest modern human skeletal remains found so far date to 195,000 BC. There are numerous fossilized modern human skeletal remains, and artifacts such as tools, artwork and ceremonial burials, that have been found around the world which are tens of thousands of years older than the "10,000 years of existence" you cite. A few examples:

Bitumen-coated flint implements as old as 40,000 BC. have proved that Neanderthal people in the Syrian desert used it to fix handles to their tools.

Modern human skeletal remains dating to 42,000 years ago have been found in China.

The earliest known European cave paintings date to 32,000 years ago.

Stone tools made by hominids have been found dating to about 2.3 million years ago.

Neanderthals, and later modern humans, used a variety of tools and buried their dead during the Middle Paleolithic era from 300,000 to 30,000 years ago.

Human human artwork and language extends back at least 50,000 years.

10 posted on 05/31/2008 1:42:28 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Only a selfish, idiotic coward thinks the way to win in politics is for his own side to lose.)
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To: Navy Patriot
I assume these footprints are pointed North.

Darn, you. You beat me to it.

That that's such an obvious punchline says a lot about the times in which we live.

11 posted on 05/31/2008 1:44:14 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Better to have your enemy before you than beside you or behind you.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
That’s racist! ;-)

You owe me a keyboard and a glass of wine! When I read that I immediately flashed on William Bradford landing at Plymouth Rock with a cry of "Feets, don't fail me now!"

12 posted on 05/31/2008 1:45:34 PM PDT by Grut
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To: blam

Frankly, this puzzles me. A new discovery that at least doubles and perhaps triples the timeline for humans in the western hemisphere.

I don’t know how such a date fits with the theory of a migration from asia during the Ice Age which exposed a land bridge from Asia to Alaska.

The whole concept might have to be re-thought.


13 posted on 05/31/2008 1:49:38 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"The whole concept might have to be re-thought."

It is. Think boats.

14 posted on 05/31/2008 1:55:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
It is. Think boats.

INDEED. In fact, it is ludicrous to think otherwise. When has there ever been a seaside people who did not know how to exploit the sea?

15 posted on 05/31/2008 2:11:43 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: knarf
Could'a, might'a, maybe .. does, is, suggests, confirms ....

No wonder people are confused.

It's so easy to accept God and His word

Unfortunately, there are many things we don't know about the Bible. We don't know who wrote many of the books in the Bible, or when. This, I'm afraid, causes a certain amount of uncertainty in any conclusions we base upon the Bible.

16 posted on 05/31/2008 2:26:33 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: blam

Bigfoot?


17 posted on 05/31/2008 2:52:23 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear (`)
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To: blam

Boats might well have preceded the invention of the wheel, but by 30,000 years or more?

And it’s one thing to invent a boat to get across a gentle river or small lake. Using the technology available 40,000 years ago, can you explain an ocean transit?

It couldn’t have been anything better than a dugout canoe. I don’t know how you could have even stored enough drinking water for one person for such a trip.


18 posted on 05/31/2008 2:54:23 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: knarf

Do you actually believe the earth is only 10,000 years old?

That is shear lunacy and how can you be a Christian when Christ brought light to man - he did not bring lunacy.


19 posted on 05/31/2008 3:13:52 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Dog Gone
"I don’t know how you could have even stored enough drinking water for one person for such a trip."

Island hopping and along the coast in the west and along the ice boundry in the east and north. They wouldn't have made a trip directly across the oceans in those days.

20 posted on 05/31/2008 3:23:30 PM PDT by blam
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