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Olmert: Only delusional fantasists believe in 'Greater Israel'
YNet ^ | 05.26.08 | Amnon Meranda

Posted on 05/26/2008 5:12:45 AM PDT by forkinsocket

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To: ketsu
lol... you may be the only person who holds the Syria military in high regard.

I have loved ones who live in the Galilee. I can't afford to write the Syrian military or Hezbollah as a joke. Their missiles do occasionally hit stuff.

21 posted on 05/26/2008 6:04:53 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: ketsu
Nope. Syria and Iran were always engaged in a marriage of convenience.

All alliances are based on convenience.

Syria has been trying to get out from under Iran's shadow for a while now.

Give evidence for that statement. Syrias support of Iran and Hezbullah has grown only more vocal and clearer than anytime before. Syria is actively murdering politicians in Lebanon to the benefit of Iran and Hezbullah.

If you actually learned something about the region's politics you might understand a bit more about the region.

Don't you wonder why people sometimes think you to be a tad arrogant and condescending? Sheesh, get off the paper horse... You're statements so far have been either factually wrong, highly hypothetical or rather naive. No lectures on Middle Eastern politics needed here. I studied this stuff, lived for years in Iran before the Revolution and talk with people from this region every day. I also dare to say that I have probably read more books on these issues than you can list.

(Israeli analysts are usually the best)

Van Creveld, right? Overrated.

22 posted on 05/26/2008 6:13:19 AM PDT by SolidWood (Refusal to vote for McCain is active support of Obama. Period.)
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To: Alouette
I have loved ones who live in the Galilee. I can't afford to write the Syrian military or Hezbollah as a joke. Their missiles do occasionally hit stuff.

In regard to my previous comment on the relevancy of the Syrian Army, let me elaborate: The conventional Syrian Army is no match for Israel. They were utterly incapable of reacting to the Israeli air attacks on the other end of Syria. Syrias power lies in their connections to terrorist and non-state forces ala Hamas and Hezbullah. My point being that Israel has no military-strategic advantage in forfeiting Golan.

23 posted on 05/26/2008 6:16:51 AM PDT by SolidWood (Refusal to vote for McCain is active support of Obama. Period.)
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To: forkinsocket

I have a tough time believing that the Israeli political process hasn’t brought about the fall of the Olmert regime quite some time ago. How can he hang on so long with public opinion so much against him (and justifiably so)?


24 posted on 05/26/2008 6:36:57 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: forkinsocket

Who is this madman? The Irgun would have strung him from a tree as a traitor. It just goes to show how Israel has proceeded towards its own suicide.


25 posted on 05/26/2008 7:04:03 AM PDT by montag813
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To: forkinsocket; Alouette

By “delusional fantasists” does he mean people who believe in HaShem?


26 posted on 05/26/2008 7:21:22 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ve'elleh toledot 'Aharon uMosheh, beyom dibber HaShem 'et-Mosheh beHar Sinai.)
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To: forkinsocket

Darth Vader: Only delusional fantasists believe in ‘The Audacity of Hope’


27 posted on 05/26/2008 7:23:16 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: forkinsocket

Can anyone tell me how an idiot like Olmert became their ruler in the first place? This guy is so “anti-Israel” it’s unbelievable.


28 posted on 05/26/2008 7:40:35 AM PDT by pctech
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To: forkinsocket
The Seven Shephards of Israel in Micah 5:5-6 about Syria.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

29 posted on 05/26/2008 8:02:12 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: SolidWood; Alouette; ketsu
...My point being that Israel has no military-strategic advantage in forfeiting Golan.

You're understating matters. Israel not only has no advantage in forfeiting the Golan, their WILL incur a severe military-strategic disadvantage in doing so.

Worst of all, in the various Olmert scenarios, they will receive absolutely nothing tangible, concrete and/or meaningful in exchange, just more promises, platitudes and worthless pieces of paper, all of which will be broken and ignored just as soon as Israel's enemies have consolidated their gains and calculate that the time is ripe to put forth their NEXT set of demands.

The Golan is the modern-day Middle-Eastern military-geopolitical equivalent of the Sudetenland. In both military and political terms Israel's giving it up would be suicidal.

30 posted on 05/26/2008 9:03:01 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: pctech
Can anyone tell me how an idiot like Olmert became their ruler in the first place?

He was elected by delusional fantasists who believed Sharon would snap out of his coma at any second.

31 posted on 05/26/2008 9:06:50 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: forkinsocket

The problem is not with greater Israel, but how to achieve a greater Israel.


32 posted on 05/26/2008 10:02:50 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: goldstategop

The biggest problem with his strategy is that he is in retreat. He is not carrying a big stick to go with his soft speech. He has only carrots for the enemies of Israel.

The enemies will play him like a fiddle.


33 posted on 05/26/2008 1:37:37 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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34 posted on 05/26/2008 3:49:03 PM PDT by SJackson (It is impossible to build a peace process based on blood, Natan Sharansky)
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To: Alouette

Sounds like Israel needs Netanyahu now more than ever. He’s been the only leader in recent history who knows what it will take to run a country.


35 posted on 05/26/2008 4:30:12 PM PDT by pctech
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To: forkinsocket

I guess that would include The Almighty..


36 posted on 05/26/2008 8:46:16 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: forkinsocket; Alouette; F15Eagle; Salem; montag813; sheik yerbouty; JewishRighter; SunkenCiv

Memo to Olmerdt Listen, carpetbagger, I believe in a secure and safe Israel, and if that means Greater Israel according to the Biblical boundaries, that is just plain fine with me. Olmert, if you had your way, Israel would shrink to the size of a typical county in the USA, with free access for every Amalekstinian murderer, and Jerusalem desecrated by being the Amalekstinian capital. Olmert, you may kindly go sit on an air hose and turn it on full blast. Signed, a Virginia Gentile who is proud to be a “delusional fantasist”.


37 posted on 05/27/2008 5:52:18 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hillary, Obama, McCain. Curly, Larry, Moe. Decisions, decisions.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; AdmSmith; Berosus; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Thanks C from E.
'We must choose between Greater Israel or a Jewish state,' he says. MK Livnat: Olmert's words 'delusional for someone at the end of his political rope'... "Today we face the choice between Greater Israel and a Jewish nation – the two are mutually exclusive. They only exist together in the minds of deluded fantasists who misconstrue reality," he said.
Olmert should either apologize for that, or be removed from office.

OTOH, repudiation of Olmert along with anything that he negotiates with Syria is the back story here; the negotiations have to continue as long as possible.
38 posted on 05/27/2008 9:34:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: stravinskyrules

“I’ve lost sympathy for Israel. They’re making their own beds.”

Hard to blame you, but consider that this is a reflection on the leadership, not the people. Granted, people often get the leaders they deserve, but Olmert got in the back door as Sharon’s chief flunky. As bad as Sharon had turned out to be when he executed the “disengagement” from Gaza, Olmert turned out to be 100 times worse. Also, the Israeli political system, often touted as a model of middle east democracy, is just a notch above banana republic in the pantheon of principled governance.

I hope you’ll still pray for the welfare of Israel, if not for her leaders, as in Olmert who is, indeed the supreme putz. IMO the worst ever in Israel by far.


39 posted on 05/27/2008 1:47:10 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: SunkenCiv

Olmert had better hope Bashar al-Assad has repudiated his family’s dream of a “Greater Syria.”


40 posted on 05/27/2008 1:55:44 PM PDT by Berosus (Supports the troops, bring them home -- from the Balkans.)
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