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Big Brother database for phones and email
Times On Line ^ | 5/20/08 | richard ford

Posted on 05/20/2008 7:38:29 PM PDT by grandpa jones

A massive government database holding details of every phone call, e-mail and time spent on the internet by the public is being planned as part of the fight against crime and terrorism. Internet service providers (ISPs) and telecoms companies would hand over the records to the Home Office under plans put forward by officials.

The information would be held for at least 12 months and the police and security services would be able to access it if given permission from the courts.

The proposal will raise further alarm about a “Big Brother” society, as it follows plans for vast databases for the ID cards scheme and NHS patients. There will also be concern about the ability of the Government to manage a system holding billions of records. About 57 billion text messages were sent in Britain last year, while an estimated 3 billion e-mails are sent every day.

(Excerpt) Read more at business.timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: calea; carnivore; conspiracy; database; echelon; govwatch; patriotact; privacy; surveillance; thoughtcrime

1 posted on 05/20/2008 7:38:30 PM PDT by grandpa jones
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To: grandpa jones
The information would be held for at least 12 months and the police and security services would be able to access it if given permission from the courts.

Why do I get the feeling eventually they will get access without the court's knowledge?
2 posted on 05/20/2008 7:43:37 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
Why do I get the feeling eventually they will get access without the court's knowledge?

Considering how quickly the courts are going south, the libs will get an order on demand. All the tools are being put in place for an evil President to really do some damage to those he/she doesn't like.

3 posted on 05/20/2008 7:46:59 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

Well, this is in Britain. But, we’re probably not to far behind


4 posted on 05/20/2008 7:48:57 PM PDT by grandpa jones (Responding To The Epic Threat)
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To: aimhigh

Did you see that this is the UK?


5 posted on 05/20/2008 7:49:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Man50D
Why do I get the feeling eventually they will get access without the court's knowledge?

Why do I think they already have access if they want it?

6 posted on 05/20/2008 7:58:06 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: netmilsmom

“Did you see that this is the UK?”

Probably not. That would have required reading all the way to the second sentence, then realizing that the United States does not have a “Home Office”...


7 posted on 05/20/2008 7:58:12 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: netmilsmom
Did you see that this is the UK?

I remember several years ago reading that Britain was spying on U.S. phones/internet, and the U.S. was spying on Britain's phones/internet. They allowed them to jointly get around laws against spying on their own citizens. So, it may be the U.K., but it could include us.

8 posted on 05/20/2008 7:58:14 PM PDT by aimhigh
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Ironic, isn’t it? our liberal governments really don’t do much more than pay lip service to the idea of dealing with terrorism. Yet it is used as an excuse to monitor everything we (non terrorist) citizens say and do.

Looks to me like our governments are making a lot more headway against their own citizens than they are against terrorists.


9 posted on 05/20/2008 7:58:51 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: aimhigh

>>So, it may be the U.K., but it could include us. <<

I’m saving my paranoia until Obama wins.

THEN we can worry.


10 posted on 05/20/2008 7:59:32 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironmom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: aimhigh
Maybe you read it, but I doubt it. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is just one of a few laws that direct intelligence gathering against U.S. persons. These laws also include provisions against spying on english-speaking allies, such as the Brits.
11 posted on 05/20/2008 8:32:44 PM PDT by Skenderbej
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“That would have required reading all the way to the second sentence, then realizing that the United States does not have a “Home Office”

Yep, I picked up on that one too. The muzzies will love that database when they gain power.


12 posted on 05/20/2008 9:03:11 PM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid!)
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To: grandpa jones

Big Brother is watchign you.


13 posted on 05/20/2008 9:53:52 PM PDT by TBP
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To: grandpa jones

Big Brother is watching you.


14 posted on 05/20/2008 9:54:09 PM PDT by TBP
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To: aimhigh

You would be speaking of Project Echelon - which also includes Canada, New Zealand and Australia in the merry circle of friends.


15 posted on 05/20/2008 9:59:03 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: grandpa jones

Thank goodness for good things like former USAG Gonzolaes resignation we don’t yet. But did you see where Bush just signed into law requiring ALL children born have their DNA collected without parents knowledge and entered into a national data base? It was Chris Dodd’s bill. That’s again for another one of your DEM Moments Bush. /sarcasm


16 posted on 05/20/2008 10:01:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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To: cva66snipe

yes, I saw that. I’m surprised there hasn’t been more written about it.


17 posted on 05/21/2008 5:49:43 AM PDT by grandpa jones (Responding To The Epic Threat)
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To: Man50D
Why do I get the feeling eventually they will get access without the court's knowledge?

Probably because they started out saying it was only limited and just for possible terrorism?

One can only imagine where they're going with it.
18 posted on 05/21/2008 9:36:49 AM PDT by papasmurf (Unless I post a link to a resource, what I post is opinion, regardless of how I spin it.)
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