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10-year-old scholar takes Calif. college by storm/ Homeschooled Boy is a College Sophomore
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24612730?GT1=43001 ^

Posted on 05/18/2008 3:05:27 PM PDT by wintertime

DOWNEY, Calif. - With the end of another school year approaching, college sophomore Moshe Kai Cavalin is cramming for final exams in classes such as advanced mathematics, foreign languages and music.

But Cavalin is only 10 years old. And at 4-foot-7, his shoes don't quite touch the floor as he puts down a schoolbook and swivels around in his chair to greet a visitor.

"I'm studying statistics," says the alternately precocious and shy Cavalin, his textbook lying open on the living room desk of his parents' apartment in this quiet suburb east of Los Angeles.

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To: bill1952
If they were homeschooled, how did they qualify for college level Calculus at what I presume was age 12?

We used the Saxon Math books through Algebra II. They retook algebra II at the community college and one college level pre-calculus course. They were then ready for calculus I.

What prep work was done in math and who did it?

I taught them all of their math up to and including algebra II. We used Saxon Math. It is very self explanatory, and I learned right along with them. I would read the lesson aloud. We worked the problems together. We read one lesson, and worked every problem, every day ( including summers), five days a week (except for family vacations and very major holidays). It took about 7 months to complete one elementary grade of math.

I'm again assuming that a basis of Algebra I, Geometry, Algebra II, and trigonometry would be needed before calculus.

As previously stated, I taught them through algebra II. They retook algebra II in college, then a college level pre-calc course, and then finally calculus.

21 posted on 05/18/2008 3:57:16 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

I hope he doesn’t turn into a educated terrorist....I said hope!


22 posted on 05/18/2008 4:04:24 PM PDT by P8triot1 (Liberalism ALWAYS produces the exact opposite of its stated intent. Quinns 1st. law..)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

“When I took it as a “refresher” course in community college, I found it easy and can’t for the life of me figure out why it was so difficult in HS.”

My sophomore Algebra teacher (a “Mrs.Rasaka”) Hated me because she didn’t like my best friend. She even told my Mom that.

That summer I took Algebra in Summer School and got an A+.

Just aa bad teacher. Even my Mom realized that.

Publik Skool, of coarse.


23 posted on 05/18/2008 4:07:17 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

“When I took it as a “refresher” course in community college, I found it easy and can’t for the life of me figure out why it was so difficult in HS.”

My sophomore Algebra teacher (a “Mrs.Rasaka”) Hated me because she didn’t like my best friend. She even told my Mom that.

That summer I took Algebra in Summer School and got an A+.

Just aa bad teacher. Even my Mom realized that.

Publik Skool, of coarse.


24 posted on 05/18/2008 4:07:25 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: CodeToad
The public school system wastes more time than they use in those K-12 years. Take a child and properly educate them and they could easily have a college degree of today’s standards by the age of 16 and not work but half the time they now spend in classrooms.( Code Toad)
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The prison-like, factory-like, Prussian model of schooling should be abandoned. With today's technology and excellent on-line curriculum students should be able to work at their own pace, and achieve **full** and complete **mastery** of a topic before moving on. This absurd farming schedule of summer vacation is archaic! With today's technology a student should be able to work on any school project 24/7 if they want.

If universal K-12 education were completely privatized teachers could organized themselves as do other professionals. They would have partnerships and associates. Schools would likely be smaller, year-round, include day care, and have a specialty in one of the arts or a sport. There would be small dame schools, mini-schools, homeschool tutoring, and one room school houses.

Government is running a price-fixed, union dominated, monopoly that is completely and utterly organized for the convenience of the employees,...NOT...the student and parent. Thankfully, some lucky children can escape the government clutches through homeschooling.

25 posted on 05/18/2008 4:12:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
When I took it as a “refresher” course in community college, I found it easy and can’t for the life of me figure out why it was so difficult in HS.. Maybe it was the PC word problems.
26 posted on 05/18/2008 4:16:37 PM PDT by DFG
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To: wintertime
I'm sure they are not just advanced in math, but socially also. Ive never met a homeschooled student that is not advanced socially .
27 posted on 05/18/2008 4:19:25 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: ZGuy

Oh I have considered it. A whole new frontier in education that is being addressed by many more trade and private schools.

But, along with education, another aspect of homeschooling is to give a child enough time to form a sound moral and emotional foundation to face the temptations of the world, resist, and be successful.


28 posted on 05/18/2008 4:19:36 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit ((Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding))
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To: P8triot1
I hope he doesn’t turn into a educated terrorist....I said hope!
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Hm?...Like the illiterate and innumerate 6th grade thugs who pushed my sister-in-law down the school steps. Or?...Like the gang bangers who broke the leg of my friends son as he was leaving his gifted and talent class? Or...Like the the lovelies who beat up that poor unfortunate girl that was shown on YouTube? Or...The 600 that had a race riot in their school in LA?

Somehow...I don't think the kid in that article will be doing that. As one of his professors said, “ “He's actually a pleasure to have in class. He's a well-adjusted, nice little boy.”

Gee! How much safer and more effective our government schools would be if they were populated with “ well-adjusted, nice little boys and girls”? Maybe more learning would take place if the good children didn't feel terrorized.

29 posted on 05/18/2008 4:21:12 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
But, along with education, another aspect of homeschooling is to give a child enough time to form a sound moral and emotional foundation to face the temptations of the world, resist, and be successful.
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Exactly!

Bruce Shortt reports that more than 90% of homeschoolers remain faithful and **active** in their religion. Unfortunately, 70 to 90% of Christian children who graduate from government schools leave their faith. Worse, even those who do call themselves “Christian” hold beliefs that are more in line with the “Religion of Oprah” than would qualify them as Christians.

30 posted on 05/18/2008 4:25:38 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: trimom

He can still receive education in other things. By the time he is 18, he will be able to do anything he wants. That is the ultimate in a future.


31 posted on 05/18/2008 4:33:52 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.
32 posted on 05/18/2008 4:35:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 2Jedismom; aberaussie; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arizonarachel; AT7Saluki; ...
This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. DaveLoneRanger has asked me to take over the management of this list. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

33 posted on 05/18/2008 4:36:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime

Thanks for posting. I forwarded the link on to my pastor whose wife is Chinese.
At our local high school, one wag reckoned that most of what they teach there is “condoms and football”.


34 posted on 05/18/2008 4:37:20 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: 2Jedismom; aberaussie; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arizonarachel; AT7Saluki; ...
This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. DaveLoneRanger has asked me to take over the management of this list. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

35 posted on 05/18/2008 4:38:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: easternsky
Ive never met a homeschooled student that is not advanced socially .
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Neither have I.

I operated a clinic and had many government schooled and homeschooled children in the practice. Socially the difference was striking! What really got my goat was the institutionalized child's 20 degree off-centered and very bored stare, accompanied by monosyablic grunts.

In contrast the homeschooled children were curious about the office and its operation, asked questions about their treatment, offered suggestions, had responsible opinions about the direction they wanted their treatment to take, shared jokes, and told us about their hobbies and other interests. Wow! They were like talking adult midgets.

The homeschoolers were **normal**. It was the institutionalized child who was abnormally and artificially developmentally delayed.

36 posted on 05/18/2008 4:44:44 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

When I was in high school, my algebra teacher gave me 4 D’s because she liked me..:)

My algebra teacher had 34 DD,s. Hubba Hubba!


37 posted on 05/18/2008 4:47:00 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
When I took it as a “refresher” course in community college, I found it easy and can’t for the life of me figure out why it was so difficult in HS..

Same with me with Calculus. It never clicked with me in HS, and I don't know why. I had an excellent teacher, but calc and I didn't get along. Took it again in my first semester at a community college and sailed right through.

38 posted on 05/18/2008 4:49:18 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (From "hooah!" to "meh..." in only three weeks' time...)
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To: wintertime

Congratulations, wintertime. Your kids were really lucky. And you’re right about the social maturity of homeschoolers demonstrating just how socially debilitating the governmental schools are. I hope in my lifetime (yes, likely in vain!) to see the majority of them shut down.


39 posted on 05/18/2008 4:56:33 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Regulator

the court that made that decision, also on their own accord decided to revisit the decision, which effectively set it aside until a new decision is handed down.


40 posted on 05/18/2008 4:59:33 PM PDT by porter_knorr
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