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McCain Abortion Flip Flop?
ABC News ^ | May 9, 2008 | Teddy Davis

Posted on 05/10/2008 10:08:41 PM PDT by cdchik123

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., faces enormous pressure from social conservatives to ignore his repeated commitment to change the GOP's platform on abortion.

"If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother's life, "I think that would be political suicide," said Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, to ABC News. "I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."

A senior Republican close to McCain told ABC News that building a more inclusive GOP is a top priority for the Arizona senator.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008rncconvention; abortion; flipper; frc; gopplatform; maverick; mccain; rino; rinos; rncplatform
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1 posted on 05/10/2008 10:08:41 PM PDT by cdchik123
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To: cdchik123

“If he were to change the party platform,” to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother’s life, “I think that would be...”

Actually pretty smart since that’s about where the nation is at mentally.


2 posted on 05/10/2008 10:11:20 PM PDT by Grunthor (McCain voters believe that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: cdchik123

McCain truly goes against the Republican platform on so many issues that it’s not funny. Socialism is coming our way until socialism is here to stay!


3 posted on 05/10/2008 10:13:49 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: cdchik123
"I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."

Already in trouble?

McAmnesty throws rotten tomatoes at Republicans on an almost daily basis. Why is he worried about "trouble" now? Could it be that he is out of cash, and is trying to fool us into donating some to him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHrrkFJCqbM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm457Tc-Fi0&watch_response

4 posted on 05/10/2008 10:16:01 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: cdchik123
his repeated commitment to change the GOP's platform on abortion.

"... ummmmmmm... well... errrrr... I... that is... OBAMA!OBAMA!OBAMAOBAMAOBAMAOBAMAOBAMA!!!" < /Team Juan shill>

5 posted on 05/10/2008 10:26:34 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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6 posted on 05/10/2008 10:30:47 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: cdchik123; wagglebee; Mr. Silverback

Considering the rate Liberals kill their offspring vs. the rate Conservatives kill their offspring, which is the best long-term strategy here, John?

Death by shredding, Partial-Birth Abortion cures Liberalism, at least for the infant...


7 posted on 05/10/2008 10:32:36 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: 1035rep; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I see you lost the argument again.


8 posted on 05/10/2008 10:36:08 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: cdchik123
So much for the McCainiacs saying he is solidly Pro-Life.

Apparently John McCain believes a little bit of murder is OK, just so long as he can by some votes with it!
9 posted on 05/10/2008 10:37:45 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: SoConPubbie
I see you lost the argument again.

If the winning "argument" = "further liberalization of the Republican Party position on abortion"... then "losing" said argument is the actual, working definition of Possessing a Human Soul.

10 posted on 05/10/2008 10:39:24 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: cdchik123

Why does it take almost every GOP nominee since ‘73 so long to figure out that the GOP wins when it’s socially and fiscally CONSERVATIVE??

Ford LOST
Reagan WON twice
Bush I WON once (& lost when he raised taxes & let Barbara bare her soul on abortion)
Dole LOST (the big tent guy)
Bush II WON twice (even though he waffled on the fiscal side).

The GOP platform is the ONLY thing in the party worth saving.


11 posted on 05/10/2008 10:43:10 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
If the winning "argument" = "further liberalization of the Republican Party position on abortion"... then "losing" said argument is the actual, working definition of Possessing a Human Soul.

My post was not to you and I totally agree with you.

My post, in general, goes out to all those so-called conservatives willing to throw their principles overboard because John McCain is not as bad as the alternative.

My post goes out to all those conservatives who stick their head in the sand and refuse to see that as John McCain has promised by his refusal to drop "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" (A.K.A. Amnesty) he is signaling that he will grant amnesty to 20-40 million+ Criminal Illegal Aliens who will vote 65%+ for Democrats as the Legal Hispanic population of the US has always voted EVEN AFTER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT REAGAN GRANTED them AMNESTY.

Furthermore, the resultant imbalance of Democrat Voters from this Amnesty dumped into the American Electorate will overturn the razor-thin majorities which Republicans have used to win elections during the last several election cycles.

In addition, this will be the last knife in the back that many conservatives will take from the GOP. The result of which will be millions of conservatives will leave the GOP or just check out of the process.

This will guarantee GOP Minority status for decades to come.

Gridlock is what we should be working towards.

With John McCain, and his left-wing positions on many issues and his desire to please his Democrat Friends, he will be pushing many issues that are anathema to conservatives and Republican congressman will only be too willing to go along with what he is pushing much as what has happened with GWB.

However, if a Democrat is elected POTUS, the GOP will somehow find their spine and remember who they represent and that they are the party of Reagan and will fight everything that the Democrats try to pass.

Gridlock is the Key!
12 posted on 05/10/2008 10:48:18 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Grunthor

Yes, that sure the hell is leadership, isn’t it. We get pissed off at dems who change their minds because of the shifting political winds. We can’t be THAT hypocritical, can we?


13 posted on 05/10/2008 10:49:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SoConPubbie
I totally agree with you.

Oh, I know you do! I was agreeing with YOU! ;)

14 posted on 05/10/2008 10:50:07 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: cdchik123
"If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother's life, "I think that would be political suicide,"

I don't think that's necessarily true. I think that many pro-life voters would be willing to allow abortion in those situations if that's what it takes to have unrestricted abortion on demand re-criminalized. Outlawing abortion on demand with those exceptions would be a major step forward, and the exceptions could be dealt with later on.

Personally I would allow an exception for the life of the mother, but I can't accept legalizing the killing of an unborn baby who was conceived by rape or incest. The baby is totally innocent of any wrongdoing and doesn't deserve to be killed for the criminal act of his or her father.

Given the long waiting list for adoptive babies, there is no valid reason to kill any unborn baby except in those very rare cases where the mother's life is at serious risk if the baby is carried to term. If the mother doesn't want him or her for any or no reason after giving birth there are many couples who do.

There are many good reasons why I am very reluctant to vote for McCain. But if his position on abortion is to allow those three exceptions to the re-criminalizing of abortion, that alone wouldn't keep me from voting for him considering that both of his potential adversaries are committed proponents of totally unrestricted abortion on demand.

15 posted on 05/10/2008 10:56:01 PM PDT by epow ("A political career brings out the basest qualities in human nature," Lord Bryce)
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To: SoConPubbie
"So much for the McCainiacs saying he is solidly Pro-Life. "

So much for you knowing how to read.

The entire article is propaganda, and I don't even care for McCain.

The key point being that the writer never quotes McCain himself, just idle speculation.

...and you fell for it.

Baaa. Baaaa.

You're a sheep. You just got herded.

16 posted on 05/10/2008 10:59:52 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
the writer never quotes McCain himself

From the hyperlink plainly visible in the sixth paragraph of the story itself:

"Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told ABC News Saturday that he still wants to change the GOP's abortion platform to explicitly recognize exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother."

You're a sheep. You just got herded.

You're a liar. You just got busted.

17 posted on 05/10/2008 11:04:55 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: everyone
Give it a rest folks. Just start campaigning for Obama or Hillary. The carping about McCain is really getting old.

At this moment there are three candidates soon to be two and McCain will be one of them.

18 posted on 05/10/2008 11:05:27 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes
Give it a rest folks. Just start campaigning for Obama or Hillary.

Is this man "campaigning for Obama or Hillary" as well, I wonder?

19 posted on 05/10/2008 11:08:27 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: Mach9
Why does it take almost every GOP nominee since ‘73 so long to figure out that the GOP wins when it’s socially and fiscally CONSERVATIVE??

Because they have traditionally run like scared bunny rabbits from the socialist Democrat "mainstream" newsrooms. This cowardice was somewhat understandable for most of these people (they couldn't ALL be as brave as Ronald Reagan) up until about the early '90s, but it has been 15 years since Rush and talk radio and the internet began their rise, and now that those entities dominate the selection and dissemination of the daily news and the liberal big-city newsrooms continue to fade and die, there is simply no excuse for Republican cowardice. None.

20 posted on 05/10/2008 11:13:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SoConPubbie
Apparently John McCain believes a little bit of murder is OK, just so long as he can by some votes with it!

No, some of us believe these exceptions are reasonable and moral.

Sorry, the majority of the country is in favor of these exceptions as well.

21 posted on 05/10/2008 11:19:06 PM PDT by stravinskyrules (Why is it that whenever I hear a piece of music I don't like, it's always by Villa-Lobos?)
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To: cdchik123

Since when did abortion rights become the leading issue for the conservative movement? In an age where massive deficits are leading this country to financial ruin, and when our government is sanctioning massive intrusions, socialistic and otherwise, into the rights of America’s citizens, I think it is irresponsible to say that the one issue that is going to determine who we support is abortion rights.


22 posted on 05/10/2008 11:31:52 PM PDT by onguard
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

That’s not a quote of McCain, that’s a paraphrase.

I said that they didn’t quote McCain.


23 posted on 05/10/2008 11:39:36 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Nice wriggle. Almost.

Your original meaning and intent were both manifest and plain. Troll harder, next time.

24 posted on 05/10/2008 11:43:34 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: 1035rep

That fellow has more teeth remaining than I do. (3)


25 posted on 05/10/2008 11:48:18 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: SoConPubbie
I don't think so. BTW, have you ever found the link to back up your allegation that John McCain leaked top-secret information concerning CIA prisons in Europe?
26 posted on 05/10/2008 11:48:31 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: 1035rep

OMG! ROFL


27 posted on 05/10/2008 11:48:43 PM PDT by TheZMan (Bitter backwoods east Texan Christian gun owner.)
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To: Ingtar

Now that is sad, really sad.


28 posted on 05/10/2008 11:49:07 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: SoConPubbie

We agree.


29 posted on 05/10/2008 11:50:17 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: Irish Eyes
At this moment there are three Democrat candidates - soon to be two and McCain will be one of them. Corrected that a bit.
30 posted on 05/10/2008 11:52:13 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: TheZMan

Next time I’ll post the 5X7, you can see his tonsils :)


31 posted on 05/10/2008 11:52:55 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: 1035rep

Genetically bad teeth... I had to have them removed.


32 posted on 05/10/2008 11:53:43 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: cdchik123

Whether he flips,flops,or you don’t like his hair:

The options are Hussein or McCain.


33 posted on 05/10/2008 11:58:42 PM PDT by NoLibZone (The Huge Demonstrations by Illegals in ‘06 prove they have more of the ‘Spirit of 76’ then we do)
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To: cdchik123; All
Yes, I can see where conservatives are coming from with respect to McCain's wanting to soften the Republican platform's no abortion stance.

However...

Quarreling about the Republican platform and abortion is pure politics, in my opinion. This is because the platform isn't law and can't stop abortions, even when Republicans controlled both the Oval Office and Congress; this is not to say that it hasn't helped to stop some federal abortion funding.

But given that I don't see an abortion amendment in the pipeline, McCain's pro-life stance evidenced by his web page is at least a step in the right direction from a constitutional perspective to help reduce abortions, in my opinion.

McCain's pro-life stance on abortion
What am I overlooking?
34 posted on 05/11/2008 12:25:07 AM PDT by Amendment10
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The entire article is propaganda, and I don't even care for McCain. ...and you fell for it. Baaa. Baaaa. You're a sheep. You just got herded.

As recently as April 2007, McCain told ABC News that he wants to keep the pro-life platform. But he has called for changing it to allow abortions in the very rare cases of rape or incest.

LifeNews.com: "John McCain Will Keep Pro-Life Abortion Plank in Republican Party Platform" by Steven Ertelt

And from the 2000 election campaign:

Arizona Senator John McCain said on Wednesday that he would like to see a change in the Republican Party's abortion plank.

Asked by CNSNews.com after a town meeting in this ocean-side community what the change would be, McCain responded, "I would be glad to have it changed to allow abortions in the case of rape, incest and the life of the mother."

CNS News.com: "McCain Calls For Change in GOP Abortion Plank" By Jerry Miller, 27 January, 2000

Shall we look at McCain's position in 1999?

WASHINGTON -- March 1999 -- Republican presidential candidate and Arizona Sen. John McCain is calling on his party to alter its platform on abortion.

In a telephone interview Friday, McCain called for the party to revert to its 1980 platform on abortion, which opposes abortion but recognizes differing views on the issue among Republicans.

"I'm for going back to the platform as it was in 1980. I believe we are an inclusive party and we can be so without changing our principles," McCain said. McCain is the first GOP presidential candidate to say the party platform should be changed.

[...]

The 1980 platform calls for a constitutional amendment to protect fetuses but it also recognizes "differing views on this question among Americans in general and in our own party."

Euthanasia.com: "McCain Urges GOP to Back Off on Pro-Life Platform" (Source:The Pro-Life Infonet)

McCain is no defender of Life.

Baa, Baa, indeed.

35 posted on 05/11/2008 1:08:01 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: wagglebee

Life ping


36 posted on 05/11/2008 1:27:57 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Ingtar
At this moment there are three liberal candidates - soon to be two and McCain will be one of them. Corrected that a bit.
37 posted on 05/11/2008 1:30:00 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Ingtar

John McCain was elected by Republican voters and is backed by Republicans leaders. He is not a Democrat, and you are no Republican. Go back to DU.


38 posted on 05/11/2008 2:02:46 AM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: stravinskyrules

Most of the anti-Republicans here probably do too, but they’ll use anything to try to tear down McCain.


39 posted on 05/11/2008 2:08:37 AM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: Amerigomag

You’re the liberal for wanting McCain to lose and allow Obama to become dictator.


40 posted on 05/11/2008 2:13:25 AM PDT by Antonio C (God bless John McCain, George W. Bush, and our troops)
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To: cdchik123

Well the National Republican party has no support from me after the way they’ve treated conservatives in the party for the last decade and a half.
Until the party rids itself of RINO turds they will lose and deservedly so.


41 posted on 05/11/2008 4:15:17 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: epow
Given the long waiting list for adoptive babies, there is no valid reason to kill any unborn baby except in those very rare cases where the mother's life is at serious risk if the baby is carried to term.

I have a tough moral dilemma with forcing a 12 or 14 year-old child rape/incest victim to (a) spend 9 months of her life carrying the child of her victimizer; (b) suffering through the pains of a natal delivery which she did not choose and doesn't want (and which her parents don't want her to suffer either.

Frankly I can't see any moral upside in making a child or even an adult continue to endure the pain and trauma of rape to serve "the long waiting list" of adoptive parents.

42 posted on 05/11/2008 4:16:59 AM PDT by angkor
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To: cdchik123

McCrazy has been lying for many years on many topics, and this should be no surprise.

We’re seeing right now that his claims to have “heard the American people” on comprehensive immigration reform was a typical McCrazy whopper, because he’s out there RIGHT NOW talking up comprehensive immigration reform all over again.


43 posted on 05/11/2008 4:30:26 AM PDT by angkor
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So much for the McCainiacs saying he is solidly Pro-Life.

At least his parrots won't have to keep running around trumpeting that big-lie anymore. Juan McLiberal is just running true to form. I expect him to keep moving even farther left as he keeps jettisoning conservatives and their long held and unmovable anchored social values.

Who knows, he might just go ahead and jump ship yet to his long time and fabled home (in his heart anyway) of the socially liberal Democrat party after he is sworn in. After all he will feel right at home in the democratically controlled and dominated Congress.

44 posted on 05/11/2008 4:34:55 AM PDT by Ron H.
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To: SoConPubbie

Your argument could very well be not only mine as well but for many other conseravtives as well. Thanx.


45 posted on 05/11/2008 4:39:05 AM PDT by Ron H.
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To: cdchik123

More inclusive GOP. How very consistent. All God’s children, eh?


46 posted on 05/11/2008 4:47:08 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: cdchik123
BS. More Disinformation from the Obama media.

If this were true why did they pick as the head of the GOP Platform Committee for the Convention a solidly Pro Life Congressman?

47 posted on 05/11/2008 4:48:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: angkor
So because of maybe .00001% of the time Abortion might be necessary because of rape or incest you want to mandate it for the other 99.99999% of the time?
48 posted on 05/11/2008 4:50:47 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Southack
The key point being that the writer never quotes McCain himself, just idle speculation.

Bada ping! I read the article and thought, "what's with that headline?"... then I noted the article was from ABC/BS and realized it was just another propaganda piece. Should'a known!

49 posted on 05/11/2008 4:52:12 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: MNJohnnie

The option should be given to those individuals who have been raped, incest or other confirmed illegal sex. Why should any illegal act be excused in this case just so you feel better. Maybe one of your siblings or other relatives be attacked against their will. You will still hold out for; no problem. Everything is easy when it isn’t you.


50 posted on 05/11/2008 5:00:19 AM PDT by captnorb
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