The Helenthomasaur
Posted on 03/18/2008 9:01:10 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
Using tiny brushes and chisels, workers picking at a big greenish-black rock in the basement of North Dakota's state museum are meticulously uncovering something amazing: a nearly complete dinosaur, skin and all.
Unlike almost every other dinosaur fossil ever found, the Edmontosaurus named Dakota, a duckbilled dinosaur unearthed in southwestern North Dakota in 2004, is covered by fossilized skin that is hard as iron. It's among just a few mummified dinosaurs in the world, say the researchers who are slowly freeing it from a 65-million-year-old rock tomb.
"This is the closest many people will ever get to seeing what large parts of a dinosaur actually looked like, in the flesh," said Phillip Manning, a paleontologist at Manchester University in England, a member of the international team researching Dakota.
"This is not the usual disjointed sentence or fragment of a word that the fossil records offer up as evidence of past life. This is a full chapter."
Animal tissue typically decomposes quickly after death. Researchers say Dakota must have been buried rapidly and in just the right environment for the texture of the skin to be preserved.
"The process of decay was overtaken by that of fossilization, preserving many of the soft-tissue structures," Manning said.
Tyler Lyson, a 25-year-old doctoral paleontology student at Yale University, discovered the dinosaur on his uncle's ranch in the Badlands in 1999. Weeks after he started to unearth the fossil in 2004, he knew he had found something special.
"Usually all we have is bones," Lyson said in a telephone interview. "In this special case, we're not just after the bones; we're after the whole carcass."
Researchers have used the world's largest CT scanner, operated by the Boeing Co. in California and used to examine space shuttle parts, to get a better look at what is encased in the rumpled mass of sandstone.
Stephen Begin, a Michigan consultant on the project, said this is the fifth dinosaur mummy ever found that is "of any significance."
"It may turn out to be one of the best mummies, because of the quality of the skin that we're finding and the extent of the skin that's on the specimen," he said Tuesday.
Begin said several other dinosaurs with fossilized skin have been unearthed around the world, but only a handful have enough skin to be of use for research and education and in most previous cases the skin was considered to be of lesser importance. "The goal was to get bones to put on display," he said.
Dakota was moved to the museum early last month and is currently surrounded by precariously perched desk lamps and a machine to suck up dust. State paleontologist John Hoganson, of the North Dakota Geological Survey, said it will take a year, maybe more, to uncover it.
Amy Sakariassen, part of the team working on the project, was toiling away with a brush whose bristles had been ground down to nubs.
"It really is wonderful to work on it," she said, as Begin used a sharp instrument to pick away tiny bits of rock and unveil a scale. "Nobody's seen that particular scale in 67 million years. It's quite thrilling."
Manning said his involvement has meant 18-hour days, seven-day weeks and "more work than I could have ever imagined. But I would not change a single second of the past few years."
Hoganson said the main part of the fossil is in two parts, weighing a total of nearly 5 tons.
"The skeleton itself is kind of curled up," he said. "The actual length would be about 30 feet, from about the tip of its tail to the tip of its nose."
The fossil has spawned both a children's book and an adult book, as well as National Geographic television programs. The National Geographic Society is funding much of the research.
"We are looking forward to seeing what emerges from the huge dinosaur body block now housed in North Dakota," said John Francis, a society vice president.
Many prehistoric fossils have been found in the western North Dakota Badlands where terrain has been heavily eroded over time by weather. Hoganson said other treasures likely are waiting to be unearthed.
"It's one of the few places in the world where you can actually see the boundary line where the dinosaurs became extinct, the time boundary," he said. "In the Badlands, this layer is exposed in certain places."
Lyson, who found the fossil, eventually hopes to send it on a worldwide tour and then bring it back to his hometown of Marmarth, where he is creating a museum. For now, workers at the North Dakota Heritage Center on the state Capitol grounds are getting part of it ready for display this summer.
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I guess they didn't have income taxes back then?
....Susan Estrich?
Yessir, the actual handiwork of freeing fossils from the rock matrix remains as low-tech as you get. The tools haven’t changed in a hundred years.
I say it’s 21.8448533 million years old and not a day more.
My guess is more accurate and more scientific because it has more decimal places.
/sarc
The Book of Job describes some beasts that may be only dead a few hundred or thousand years.
Must have been something else. Dinosaurs have been dead about 65 million years.
I’ll not get into a big debate on your premises vs. my premises. Your faith is in atheism and evolution, mine is in a Creator. Neither of us can replicate what actually happened, physically.
And in either case, regardless of one’s regard for the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the human mind boggles—or should—at the concept of eternity past.
Have you ever read Job, by the way? If not, there is quite a beast described.
Consistent with the Biblical flood. Somehow, I don't think that will be an idea they'll consider.
Right on SOA... Job describes behemoth with a tail like a cedar. The description is definitely a dinosaur.
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Some have supposed it may have been a "crocodile". But I suppose it could have been some deep ocean critter that went extinct a few centuries before modern times. I wouldn't have thought it plausible, excepting for the giant squid that used to be written off as another sea monster legend before the first giant squid carcass was recovered. Now, supposing the giant squid had gone extinct a few hundred years ago, then the idea of one existing would still probably be scoffed at.
lol
The beast described in Job has a tail like a “cedar” tree.
There is no animal living that fits that description.
Read Job.
Can I buy some pot from you?
This is really interesting. Wish there was a photo, prob not far enough along.
LOL.
There is a photo of the skin on the first thread.
This remark seems based on ignorance of the fact that there were no men on this planet when this creature was alive. What a stupid remark.
LOL, hey lady, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you, too.
Barry tried to sell a bridge yesterday. Only a few die hard supporters wanted to buy it...
There is an ox of the shape of a stag, between whose ears a horn rises from the middle of the forehead, higher and straighter than those horns which are known to us. From the top of this, branches, like palms, stretch out a considerable distance. The shape of the female and of the male is the same; the appearance and the size of the horns is the same. (liber sextus, xxvi)Of course, there is no animal which horn is like "palms" - but the description fits - loosely - a reindeer.
Similarly, the beast described in Job could be a hippopotamus.
Oddest looking "cedar" I've ever seen, no matter how loose you wish to suggest the description is.
And in either case, regardless of one’s regard for the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the human mind boggles—or should—at the concept of eternity past.
I find it interesting the way folks here are consistently invading the science threads to peddle their particular narrow brand of religion.
It is especially funny because the level of scientific knowledge generally brought to the discussion is abysmal. For example, you seem to be making some claim regarding the 2nd law of thermodynamics. If this is the usual claim that anti-science and anti-evolution posters make it is laughably wrong. (I still remember the classic post a couple of years ago where some anti-science poster here was railing against the "second law of thermal documents." Talk about looking silly!)
If you want to argue science, you really have to learn something about it first.
Would be, perhaps, if we were talking about shape. But we're not. The Hebrew term used in Job 40:17 which is translated as "cedar" comes from the root arats, meaning "to be firm, strong", which is why the derivative noun was used by the Hebrews to refer to that particular tree - it was noted in the ANE for its thick trunk and strong wood. Further, the verse actually says that behemoth "moveth" his tail like a cedar. Contextually, this only makes sense in the passage (which takes pains to indicate the power and might of this creature) if we understand the tail of this creature to be large and powerful (what would a hippo's tail knock down, except a fly perhaps?). Shape, per se, doesn't enter into the equation.
And besides, the thin part would need to be at the top.
What are your scientific credentials, out of curiosity?
Ph.D. Half of my studies at the graduate level were in evolution, fossil man, human races, osteology and closely related subjects.
Please be careful not to project your reported lack of other people’s knowledge on me.
Please be careful not to arrogate your own unproven premises to the level of science.
Please be careful to remember that your own ‘religion’ is agnosticism or atheieism and by calling what you do science, you are either deceived yourself, or seeking to deceive others.
You’ve only got a pseudo-scientific basis, not a scientific basis, from which to judge and scoff at a Creationist premise as being a narrow view of religion.
Is it not true that your own worldview and/or agenda is threatened by the possibility of a greater phenomenon, a First Cause? The discomfort of a high level of cognitive dissonance often triggers such a denial response.
“Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.”
Good day.
Thanks Renfield.
Workers Uncovering Mummified Dinosaur
AP via brietbart | Mar 18, 2008 | Blake Nicholson
Posted on 03/18/2008 8:26:16 AM EDT by Jet Jaguar
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You are one SICK individual!
What, you don’t remember the Toni twins? Or the Doublemint twins?
That image is from that milieu, other than the overpowering smell of brimstone.
He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
I was just getting hungry for lunch....but now I’ll pass.
A moose once bit my sister...
I agree. Any flood big enough to cover any single dinosaur in mud simply had to be global.
Or, like the survivors of New Orleans say: Katrina flooded EVERYTHING!
Or a very large squirrel.
You mean it was like a crocodile's tail?
Wow. That will really devastate him. LOL!
lol!
But not by a flood!!
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