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Fresh tests on Shroud of Turin
Telegraph ^ | 25 Feb 2008 | Jonathan Petre

Posted on 02/25/2008 12:33:54 PM PST by BGHater

The Oxford laboratory that declared the Turin Shroud to be a medieval fake 20 years ago is investigating claims that its findings were wrong.

The head of the world-renowned laboratory has admitted that carbon dating tests it carried out on Christendom's most famous relic may be inaccurate.

 
The Turin Shroud on display in Turin's Cathedral
Carbon dating tests carried out 20 years ago on the Shroud of Turin suggested that the relic was a forgery

Professor Christopher Ramsey, the director of the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, said he was treating seriously a new theory suggesting that contamination had skewed the results.

Though he stressed that he would be surprised if the supposedly definitive 1988 tests were shown to be far out - especially "a thousand years wrong" - he insisted that he was keeping an open mind.

The development will re-ignite speculation about the four-metre linen sheet, which many believe bears the miraculous image of the crucified Christ.

The original carbon dating was carried out on a sample by researchers working separately in laboratories in Zurich and Arizona as well as Oxford.

To the dismay of Christians, the researchers concluded that the shroud was created between 1260 and 1390, and was therefore likely to be a forgery devised in the Middle Ages.

Even Anastasio Alberto Ballestrero, the then Cardinal of Turin, conceded that the relic was probably a hoax.

There have been numerous theories purporting to explain how the tests could have produced false results, but so far they have all been rejected by the scientific establishment.

Many people remain convinced that the shroud is genuine.

Prof Ramsey, an expert in the use of carbon dating in archeological research, is conducting fresh experiments that could explain how a genuinely old linen could produce "younger" dates.

The results, which are due next month, will form part of a documentary on the Turin Shroud that is being broadcast on BBC 2 on Easter Saturday.

David Rolfe, the director of the documentary, said it was hugely significant that Prof Ramsey had thought it necessary to carry out further tests that could challenge the original dating.

He said that previous hypotheses, put forward to explain how the cloth could be older than the 1988 results suggested, had been "rejected out of hand".

"The main reason is that the contamination levels on the cloth that would have been needed to distort the results would have to be equivalent to the actual sample itself," he said.

"But this new theory only requires two per cent contamination to skew the results by 1,500 years. Moreover, it springs from published data about the behaviour of carbon-14 in the atmosphere which was unknown when the original tests were carried out 20 years ago."

Mr Rolfe added that the documentary, presented by Rageh Omaar, the former BBC correspondent, would also contain new archeological and historical evidence supporting claims that the shroud was a genuine burial cloth.

The film will focus on two other recorded relics, the Shroud of Constantinople, which is said to have been stolen by Crusaders in 1204, and the Shroud of Jerusalem that wrapped Jesus's body and which, according to John's Gospel, had such a profound effect when it was discovered.

According to Mr Rolfe, the documentary will produce convincing evidence that these are one and the same as the Shroud of Turin, adding credence to the belief that it dates back to Christ's death.


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KEYWORDS: shroud; tests; turin
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1 posted on 02/25/2008 12:33:57 PM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Holy Sheet!!!


2 posted on 02/25/2008 12:36:19 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: BGHater

How tall is the figure on the shroud?...........


3 posted on 02/25/2008 12:36:32 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: BGHater

Well, Judge, it depends on the meaning of the word “graven”.


4 posted on 02/25/2008 12:38:30 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Red Badger

About, 70 inches.


5 posted on 02/25/2008 12:38:32 PM PST by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: BGHater

Another test?? groann....


6 posted on 02/25/2008 12:39:15 PM PST by max americana
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To: Red Badger

5’2” eyes of blue....


7 posted on 02/25/2008 12:40:06 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: BGHater

70 inches, 5’10”, a little tall for a Jewish carpenter from 2000 years ago?.........


8 posted on 02/25/2008 12:41:12 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: BGHater

Some of the impetus for this comes from William Meacham’s book, THE RAPE OF THE TURIN SHROUD. Meacham has some pretty harsh words for the clergy in charge.


9 posted on 02/25/2008 12:43:24 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: BGHater
David Rolfe, the director of the documentary, said it was hugely significant that Prof Ramsey had thought it necessary to carry out further tests that could challenge the original dating.

I think Ramsey is just willing to perform additional tests to shut up people like Rolfe, who are scared of letting this moneymaker die. Paint me shocked if the new tests produce any result materially different from the previous ones. The fact that the Shroud has no history prior to late medieval times is damning in itself.

10 posted on 02/25/2008 12:45:28 PM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: Red Badger
I would add that most famous and important figures in History, well our History have been above avg. in height. ie Washington, Lincoln.

Besides, Jesus came from an extremely wealthy family and could have eaten whatever he wanted for nourishment.

11 posted on 02/25/2008 12:46:16 PM PST by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: Red Badger
70 inches, 5’10”, a little tall for a Jewish carpenter from 2000 years ago?

Don't forget he was supposedly stretched.

12 posted on 02/25/2008 12:47:29 PM PST by ASA Vet (I'm wearing my nomex.)
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To the dismay of Christians, the researchers concluded that the shroud was created between 1260 and 1390, and was therefore likely to be a forgery devised in the Middle Ages.

To the dismay of "Christians"? How about to dismay of those who happened to really, really believe that the shroud was for real and had based their entire faith on it.

13 posted on 02/25/2008 12:48:40 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: beer
The shroud of Torino.

14 posted on 02/25/2008 12:50:49 PM PST by evets (beer)
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To: BGHater

Here we go again.


15 posted on 02/25/2008 12:53:21 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Red Badger

Why?


16 posted on 02/25/2008 12:55:00 PM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: AndyTheBear

How about to dismay of those who happened to really, really believe that the shroud was for real and had based their entire faith on it.
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I’m not being a smarta$$ (for once). Do such people actually exist, and wouldn’t that really be at odds the basic precepts of Christianity, that one would base their entire faith on the authenticity of a burial shroud?

I have to admit also the possibility that your response was tongue in cheek.


17 posted on 02/25/2008 1:02:43 PM PST by dmz
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To: evets

That looks like the shroud of my friend’s torino shortly after slamming sideways into the curb and then bouncing off the parked cars on the other side of the road during a 1974 ice storm.


18 posted on 02/25/2008 1:04:43 PM PST by dmz
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To: BGHater

Come on, the shroud’s a fake...a pretty cleaver one too.


19 posted on 02/25/2008 1:07:06 PM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 318 and counting! Stay home and get a Dem!)
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To: dmz
Hope your friend was alright!

20 posted on 02/25/2008 1:08:38 PM PST by evets (beer)
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