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Ancient city discovered in India
BBC ^ | 18 Feb 2008 | Sandeep Sahu

Posted on 02/22/2008 11:35:47 AM PST by BGHater


Pillars (Pic: Sanjib Mukherjee)

Eighteen stone pillars have been excavated (Pics: Sanjib Mukherjee)

Indian archaeologists say they have found remains which point to the existence of a city which flourished 2,500 years ago in eastern India.

The remains have been discovered at Sisupalgarh near Bhubaneswar, capital of the eastern state of Orissa.

Researchers say the items found during the excavation point to a highly developed urban settlement.

The population of the city could have been in the region of 20,000 to 25,000, the archaeologists claim.

The excavations include 18 stone pillars, pottery, terracotta ornaments and bangles, finger rings, ear spools and pendants made of clay.

But some historians and archaeologists in Orissa have expressed reservations about the claim of the researchers - they say it is too early to say anything about the population or periodicity of the area.

'Significance'

RK Mohanty of the department of archaeology, Deccan College, Pune, who is one of the two researchers involved in the excavations.

"The significance of this ancient city becomes clear when one bears in mind the fact that the population of classical Athens was barely 10,000," he said.

Mr Mohanty, along with Monica Smith of the Cotsen Institute of Archaeology, University of California, has been carrying out limited excavations at the site every year since 2005 with the permission of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI).

Workers at the excavation site in Orissa (Pic: Sanjib Mukherjee)
Archaeologists say it was a planned urban settlement

The latest round of excavations ended last Monday and the new discoveries have been covered with special plastic material and earth to preserve them before further digging is taken up in subsequent years.

The first excavations at the site were carried out by Prof BB Lal as far back as in 1948.

On the basis of the architectural pattern and artefacts discovered during the early excavations, Prof Lal concluded that this fort city flourished between 3rd century BC and 4th century AD.

On the basis of the new findings, Ms Smith and Mr Mohanty claim that the fortified city flourished from around 5th century BC and probably lasted well after the 4th century.

"We have employed geophysical survey, systematic surface collections and selected excavations in the 4.8km perimeter of the fortified area and studied individual houses and civic as well as domestic architecture to arrive at the figure of 25,000," said Ms Smith.

"If anything, it is a conservative estimate."

'Guesswork'

But some historians and archaeologists in Orissa have expressed reservations about the claim of the two researchers.

"At best, it is a guesswork. Without excavating the entire area of the fortified city, it is not possible to determine its population or periodicity," said BK Rath, former director of the state archaeology department.

"The actual area excavated so far is only a minuscule part of the city. How does one determine the size of the average family in a period about which very little historical literature or evidence is available?

The excavation site (Pic: Sanjib Mukherjee)

Some historians say it's too early to say anything conclusive about the place

"Besides, the comparison with Athens is odious since it was not a fortified city like Sisupalgarh," he said.

Mr Rath, however, gives credit to Ms Smith and Mr Mohanty for having focussed attention on the problem of encroachment that is threatening to engulf a large part of the fortified city.

The major portion of the land that constitutes the ancient city is in private possession making an archaeological study difficult.

Besides, several urban settlements have sprung up in the vicinity of the area in the last few years owing to its proximity to the city of Bhubaneswar.

With a view to preserving this important archaeological site for future research, the ASI is now contemplating asking the state government for control over the land.

Lost

"This way, we can prevent further encroachment and develop the site as a tourist attraction," said BR Mani, a senior ASI official.

There is also some concern about the preservation of the material which has been found during the excavation.

Well-known historian Karuna Sagar Behera voiced serious concern over the preservation of material unearthed from the site.

"Its is a shame that some gold coins and terracotta pottery found at the place during the first excavation in the late 1940s were subsequently lost," he said.

"Measures should be taken to ensure that all the material excavated are properly preserved for future research."

The project is being supported by the National Science Foundation of India, the National Geographic Society and the Cotsen Institute of Archaeology, California.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: city; godsgravesglyphs; india; ruins
Some really big remains. Look at that top photo, and the people at the base of the ruins.
1 posted on 02/22/2008 11:35:48 AM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

As crowded as India is, they just now find something?..........


2 posted on 02/22/2008 11:39:06 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

It looks like Monkey City. Watch out for King Louis.


3 posted on 02/22/2008 11:40:22 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Ping


4 posted on 02/22/2008 11:50:41 AM PST by ASA Vet (Only a suicidal fool would take Hillary as his VP.)
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To: BGHater; blam; SunkenCiv
Thanks for the interesting article...

GGG heads up, guys!

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FWIW, I plan to be doing archaeological field work all next week...

5 posted on 02/22/2008 11:52:45 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: ASA Vet; BGHater; TXnMA

2,500 Years Ago, A City Bigger Than Athens In Orissa

6 posted on 02/22/2008 11:55:36 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: BGHater

Ancient tech-support center?


7 posted on 02/22/2008 11:57:06 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: blam

thanx, sorry, why can’t put India be in the title or their article.


8 posted on 02/22/2008 11:57:15 AM PST by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: BGHater; blam; SunkenCiv

I don’t think I have ever seen stone columns quite like those. I assume that those unique “forks” at the tops were there to hold and align wooden beams... Neat stuff!


9 posted on 02/22/2008 11:57:53 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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"thanx, sorry, why can’t put India be in the title or their article."

No problem. The more the merrier.

10 posted on 02/22/2008 12:00:37 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: BGHater
A search will show that some claim this city is 7,000 years old.

ANCIENT, 7000-YEAR-OLD CITY DISCOVERED IN BHARAT

11 posted on 02/22/2008 12:05:52 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: BGHater

btt


12 posted on 02/22/2008 12:15:18 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: blam

And lookie here! ...Drawings of Barack Obama on the walls of the city!


13 posted on 02/22/2008 12:17:54 PM PST by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: Red Badger
As crowded as India is, they just now find something?..........

The cities are crowded. The rural areas not so.

14 posted on 02/22/2008 12:21:40 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: blam

That looks like its from a Google Groups discussion forum.

I think the author is confusing the one in this thread (Eastern India), with another one, on the western coast of India:

http://www.hermetics.org/cambay.html

Sunken City Off India Coast -
7500 B. C.?


15 posted on 02/22/2008 12:31:52 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Red Badger
As crowded as India is, they just now find something?..........

Take a trip through the Indian countryside sometime - either undeveloped or farmland - sometimes you can go hours driving without seeing anyone. Even the most populous nations in the world are mostly empty land, which is something to bear in mind whenever the environmentalists start bleating about the demands the human race is placing on the Earth.
16 posted on 02/22/2008 12:54:31 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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Those are the biggest open-end wrenches I’ve ever seen.


17 posted on 02/22/2008 1:57:05 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (IX-XI -- numquam didici)
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18 posted on 02/23/2008 8:41:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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the comparison with Athens is odious since it was not a fortified city

Athens was certainly fortified during the war with Sparta, what with the Spartans besieging it every year for decades. When the Spartans won they made Athens tear down its walls and forbidden to replace them.

19 posted on 02/23/2008 8:51:52 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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Ancient tech-support center?

Possibly. India was one of the 4 first civilisations (the others being Egypt, Sumerian-Elamite and Chinese)
20 posted on 02/23/2008 8:56:40 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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