Posted on 02/14/2008 3:42:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Edited on 02/14/2008 4:12:56 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
So did Hillary lose in Virginia? Or did she get smoked like a Virginia ham? Answer: things are looking pretty hamlike tonight.
Two snaps, okaaaay?
(Excerpt) Read more at andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com ...
I’m looking at villas in Cebu, The Philippines. And I’m not kidding.
I thought the Muzzies were causing a lot of problems in the Philippines. And the government is not fighting back effectively.
“Barack Hussein Obama versus Juan McAztlan. I’m looking at villas in Cebu, The Philippines. And I’m not kidding.”
Not me. I’m hanging around to give the ‘winner’ as much heartache as I possibly can.
That's in the south, down around Mindanao. Things are copascetic on Luzon.
“Wednesday morning at five o’clock as the day begins
Silently closing her bedroom door
Leaving the note that she hoped would say more
She goes downstairs to the kitchen clutching her handkerchief
Quietly turning the backdoor key
Stepping outside she is free.
She (We gave her most of our lives)
is leaving (Sacrificed most of our lives)
home (We gave her everything money could buy)
She’s leaving home after living alone
For so many years. Bye, bye”
two words - Ron Brown
Pledged Delegates
CNN
2-12-08FoxNews
2-12-08Republicans 1,191
McCain 827 821 819 Romney 286 288 285 Huckabee 217 241 240 Paul 16 14 14 Democrats 2,025
Clinton 1,211 1,198 1,233 Obama 1,256 1,223 1,276
All are equal. Well, sort of.All may be equal, but some are more equal than others.
Both the Dems and the GOP use 'extra' delegates. Most of these 'extra' delegates are not elected by the general membership of the party. Instead, they are appointed by other special party leaders and elites. The Party really doesn't trust the general membership to do the right thing and select the Party's preferred nominee.
So, both poltical parties have a bunch of 'extra' delegates. The Dems call theirs Superdelegates, and they own nearly 27% of the total delegate count. The GOP calls theirs 'uncommitted' delegates. The GOP is a bit more equal because their uncommitted own only about 19.5% of the total delegate count.
Either way, those extra delegates are more special than the ordinary primary voters; they get two votes. They get to cast their regular citizen vote for their desired candidate, and then they get to cast an extra vote at the convention for their special candidate.
Where did these special voters come from? Most are from the ranks of the elite within each political party -- the leadership, the state chairpersons, the special people.
...yeah the remaining faithfuls with just enough brain matter to send in more cash....since the Chinese cooks and waiters have maxed out, it's up to the few to fill their coffers
I just saw Hillary “flanked” by a crowd of burly white men. Looks like she is trying to say, See - not all white men are voting for Obama.
Tha’s only on a few Southern Islands. Cebu is a VERY Catholic area, as is most of the Philippines.
methinks hillary is just beginning..the dirty fight will be on..she WON’T BE DENIED..even if it means ruining the democrat party and the country..
NEVER underestimate her..
I don’t believe for a moment that the Clintons will go quitely. I believe we will see an all-out civil war in an effort to give Hillary the nod. Should be fun.
JM has said he will not campaign against him.
So much for that.
A little backwater town on a river in Colorado will do. Already got the house and the fly rod.
Andy’s got his head up his bum on this one and getting it packed on a regular basis can’t help his thinking process either.
methinks hillary is just beginning..the dirty fight will be on..she WON’T BE DENIED..even if it means ruining the democrat party and the country..
NEVER underestimate her..
I totally agree. Something is going to happen. Gary Hart comes to mind. You never know what’s up her slip.
Maybe we should just invade Mexico and turn it into a free state (after disbursing the natives to California and Central America.
She’s unraveling faster than a Britney Spears marriage.
FLASHBACK (1992 60 Minutes broadcast):
Kroft: Who is Gennifer Flowers? Do you know her?
Bill Clinton: Oh, yes.
Kroft: How do you know her? How would you describe your relationship?
Bill Clinton: Very limited, but until this, you know, friendly but limited . . . .
Kroft: Was she a friend, an acquaintance? Does your wife know her?
Hillary Clinton: Oh, sure (chuckles).
Bill Clinton: Yes. She was an acquaintance, I would say a only friendly acquaintance . . . .
Kroft: She is alleging and has described in some detail in the supermarket tabloid what she calls a 12-year affair with you.
Bill Clinton: That allegation is false!
Hillary Clinton: When this woman first got caught up in these charges, I felt as I’ve felt about all of these women: that they . . . had just been minding their own business and they got hit by a meteor . . . . I felt terrible about what was happening to them. Bill talked to this woman every time she called, distraught, saying her life was going to be ruined, and . . . he’d get off the phone and tell me that she said sort of wacky things, which we thought were attributable to the fact that she was terrified.
Bill Clinton: It was only when money came out, when the tabloid went down there offering people money to say that they had been involved with me, that she changed her story. There’s a recession on, you know.
Kroft: I’m assuming from your answer that you’re categorically denying that you ever had an affair with Gennifer Flowers.
Bill Clinton: I said that before. And so HAS she (finger pointing for emphasis)!
Kroft: You’ve said that your marriage has had problems, that you’ve had difficulties. What do you mean by that? What does that mean? Is that some kind of – help us break the code. I mean, does that mean that you were separated? Does that mean that you had communication problems? Does that mean you contemplated divorce? Does it mean adultery?
Bill Clinton: (head shaking) I think the American people, at least people that have been married for a long time, know what it means and know ...
Kroft: You’ve been saying all week that you’ve got to put this issue behind you. Are you prepared tonight to say that you’ve never had an extramarital affair?
Bill Clinton: (head shaking) I’m prepared tonight to say that any married couple should ever discuss .... I’m not prepared to say that about anybody. I think that the . . . .
Kroft: . . . That’s what you’ve been saying essentially for the last couple of months.
Bill Clinton: . . . You go back and listen to what I’ve said. You know, (arm around Hillary) I have acknowledged wrongdoing. I have acknowledged causing pain in my marriage...but not...Look, I have said things to you tonight and to the American people from the beginning that no American politician ever has. ... I think most Americans who are watching this tonight, they’ll know what we’re saying; they’ll get it, and they’ll feel that we have been more candid. And I think what the press has to decide is: Are we going to engage in a game of “gotcha”? . . . I can remember a time when a divorced person couldn’t run for president, and that time, thank goodness, has passed. Nobody’s prejudiced against anybody because they’re divorced. Are we going to take the reverse position now that if people have problems in their marriage and there are things in their past which they don’t want to discuss which are painful to them, that they can’t run?
Kroft: You’re trying to put this issue behind you, and the problem with the answer is it’s not a denial. And people are sitting out there — voters – and they’re saying, “Look, it’s really pretty simple. If he’s never had an extramarital affair, why doesn’t {he} say so?”
Bill Clinton: That may be what they’re saying. You know what I think they’re saying? I think they’re saying, “Here’s a guy who’s leveling with us.” . . . I’ve told the American {people} more than any other candidate for president. The result of that has been everybody going to my state and spending more time trying to play “gotcha.”
Hillary Clinton: There isn’t a person watching this who would feel comfortable sitting on this couch detailing everything that ever went on in their life or their marriage. And I think it’s real dangerous in this country if we don’t have some zone of privacy for everybody . . . .
Kroft: . . . I agree with you that everyone wants to put this behind you. And the reason the problem has not gone away is because your answer is not a denial . . . .
Bill Clinton: It’s not? ... And let’s take it from your point of view, that won’t make it go away. I mean if you deny, then you have a whole other horde of people going down there offering more money and trying to prove that you lied. And if you say yes, then you have just what I have already said by being open and telling you that we have had problems. You have, “Oh good, now we can go play ‘gotcha’ and find out who it is.” Now, no matter what I say, to pretend that the press will then let this die, then we are kidding ourselves. I mean, you know, this has become a virtual cottage industry. The only way to put it behind us, I think, is for all of us to agree that this guy has told us about all we need to know. Anybody who is listening gets the drift of it and let’s go on and get back to the real problems of this country . . . .
Kroft: . . . {The} question of marital infidelity is an issue with a sizable portion of the electorate. According to the latest CBS News poll . . . 14 percent of the registered voters in America wouldn’t vote for a candidate who’s had an extramarital affair.
Bill Clinton: I know it’s an issue, but what does that mean? That means that 86 percent of the American people either don’t think it’s relevant to presidential performance or look at whether a person, looking at all the facts, is the best to serve. (finger pointing)
Kroft: I think most Americans would agree that it’s very admirable that you’ve stayed together – that you’ve worked your problems out and that you’ve seemed to reach some sort of understanding and arrangement.
Bill Clinton: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You’re looking at two people who love each other. This is not an arrangement or an understanding. This is a marriage. That’s a very different thing.
Hillary Clinton: You know, I’m not sitting here – some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette. I’m sitting here because I love him, and I respect him, and I honor what he’s been through and what we’ve been through together. And you know, if that’s not enough for people, then heck, don’t vote for him (smirking)
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