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Pentecostal preacher pledges holy war against GOP senator
The Carpetbagger Report ^ | January 28th, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Steve Benen

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:54:51 AM PST by FewsOrange

It hasn’t generated a lot of headlines, but in the world of religion and politics, it’s a pretty big deal. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, recently asked six high-profile, hyper-wealthy Pentecostal televangelists for their financial records, under the suspicion that they’re using their ministries for personal gain. (Imagine that.)

Not surprisingly, most of the televangelists’ ministries have been loath to cooperate with the inquiry. One in particular is pledging a holy war.

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has gone after more than a few iconic nonprofits during his tenure atop the Finance Committee, including the Red Cross, Smithsonian and Harvard University.

But now the Finance ranking member and former chairman may have met his match: televangelist Kenneth Copeland of the sprawling Kenneth Copeland Ministries based in Newark, Texas.

In a Jan. 22 closed-circuit broadcast of his 2008 Ministers’ Conference obtained by Roll Call, Copeland pledges a holy war against “Brother Grassley” and the Senate for attempting to get a look at the controversial ministry’s finances. Grassley wrote a Nov. 6 letter to Copeland and five other prominent ministers requesting a variety of financial information.

“You render unto the government what belongs to the government. And you render unto God what belongs to God,” Copeland loudly intones to approving murmurs from the crowd of 1,000 ministers and their guests.

Oh, the irony is rich. These TV preachers believe the separation of church and state is some kind of Satanic, communist plot to be rejected by decent people everywhere. That is, right up until a senator wonders if perhaps they’re abusing their tax-exempt status, at which point the church-state wall is high and impregnable.

Now, I should note that, as a rule, I’m not inclined to have government officials poking around churches’ books — unless the church is receiving tax dollars or is suspected of wrongdoing. In this case, the latter applies.

Grassley contacted six ministries that has engaged in activities that certainly look like fraud. These tax-exempt ministries are required, by law, not to use donations from followers to enrich themselves, and there’s considerable evidence that they’ve done just that.

It’s no wonder, then, that some of these Pentecostal televangelists are reluctant to share information with Grassley. Copeland seems to be quite the drama-queen about it.

After a searing attack on Grassley’s tactics — which Copeland says were designed to sully his image and pressure him via the media — Copeland says he will never provide information on his donors, even if he is ordered to do so by subpoena.

“You can go get a subpoena, and I won’t give it to you!” Copeland storms. “It’s not yours, it’s God’s and you’re not going to get it and that’s something I’ll go to prison over. So, just get over it!” he tells Grassley, jamming his finger into the air. “And if there’s a death penalty that applies, well just go for it!”

I see.

As for the broader political context, because the six ministries involved are all mega-churches, filled with likely Republican voters, there’s quite a bit of consternation about Grassley’s inquiry.

Doug Wead, head of evangelical outreach for ex-President George H.W. Bush, said the move threatens to fracture the tenuous coalition of Pentecostal and Baptist voters that supported President George W. Bush in his campaigns. He said the ministers see the probe as personal because Grassley is a Baptist and the churches are all Pentecostal. Grassley argues the inquiry is about tax-exempt policy and not religious doctrine. He says he did not know the churches’ denominations before the letters were sent.

“He’s dividing the base that George W. Bush had,” Wead contended. “He’s opened this deep fissure. If you look at it as a Republican, it looks disastrous.”

Well, that’s certainly a good reason for a senator to look the other way on suspected fraud and abuse, isn’t it?

As for what kind of “holy war” these ministries might consider, we haven’t seen any details yet, but it should be interesting. Stay tuned.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 110th; chuckgrassley; fleecingtheflock; grassley; kennethcopeland; moneychangers; probe; televangelists
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If these “ministers” are not doing anything wrong, why aren’t they willing to prove it? Because they CANNOT prove it and they know it.


21 posted on 01/29/2008 10:11:37 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: FewsOrange

Oh, the injustice of it!

22 posted on 01/29/2008 10:11:48 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 336 and counting! <b>Vote Mitt=Get Billary!))
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To: TommyDale
"If these “ministers” are not doing anything wrong, why aren’t they willing to prove it? Because they CANNOT prove it and they know it."

In this country the accused don't have to prove innocence. The prosecution has to prove guilt.
23 posted on 01/29/2008 10:12:51 AM PST by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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To: FewsOrange
People voluntarily sent them money, so I fail to see what the problem is. If people are that stupid...

Grassley should be fired by the voters, he is a crying shame to this nation

24 posted on 01/29/2008 10:13:00 AM PST by GeronL
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To: The Louiswu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D74VHiVLROM


25 posted on 01/29/2008 10:13:23 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: The Louiswu
Very good point. Governments collect their revenues at the barrel of a gun. Preachers use persuasion.

Not at all surprising to find Senator Grassley ignoring the fact that it's his finger on the trigger.

Frankly, I'd like to examine his personal finances going back about 10 years.

26 posted on 01/29/2008 10:13:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TommyDale

Government is worse than those guys by far


27 posted on 01/29/2008 10:14:15 AM PST by GeronL
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To: TommyDale

I’m sorry I don’t click random YouTube links, I am work and don’t care to get fired.


28 posted on 01/29/2008 10:14:17 AM PST by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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To: TommyDale
No, blame the government ~ there are people out there who dislike organized religion of all kinds and are quite willing to use the slightest excuse to suppress all religion.

If there are preachers commiting armed robbery they should, of course, be locked up, as should Senators and Representatives who take bribes.

29 posted on 01/29/2008 10:15:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: AppyPappy

they say god will return it 10-fold, so they are not making those promises, god is... so sue god. lol


30 posted on 01/29/2008 10:16:19 AM PST by GeronL
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To: TommyDale

You are exactly right. There is not much difference between these “preachers” and the baby mamas in the hood.


31 posted on 01/29/2008 10:16:43 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: muawiyah
"there are people out there who dislike organized religion of all kinds and are quite willing to use the slightest excuse to suppress all religion"

I agree completely. Kick this door in and no church will be safe.
32 posted on 01/29/2008 10:16:54 AM PST by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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To: The Louiswu

Nor are you forced to give to the salesman who offers to sell you the investment that returns 10 fold. You trust that he is right because he makes the claim.


33 posted on 01/29/2008 10:17:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TommyDale

they are amatuers compared to government


34 posted on 01/29/2008 10:17:35 AM PST by GeronL
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To: The Louiswu

Basically, the 6+ minute video is from a newscast that shows how the Copelands are using their 20 million dollar jet for personal use.


35 posted on 01/29/2008 10:17:42 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: goodwithagun
"baby mamas in the hood"

Not sure what a baby mamas is, I assume it is some kind of thug or theif, so if that is the case you are equating a preacher with a thug? Really?
36 posted on 01/29/2008 10:18:25 AM PST by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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To: TommyDale
You can go over to Andrews Air Force base every day and watch Congresscritters using your jet planes for personal purposes.

Does that bother you?

37 posted on 01/29/2008 10:19:03 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: FewsOrange

Preachers like politicians can be a lying and thieving lot. So, when Copeland referred to Grassley as brother, I am not sure if that was a religious or professional appellation. If I were on the Finance Committee, I might be looking into how banks could have had so much worthless debt on the balance sheets as assets. Grassly’s major problem is, he is as clueless as he looks. Iowa’s other Senator is not as clueless as Grassly, and therein lies the problem, Harkin knows exactly what he is doing, that is being among the most treacherous of a very treacherous bunch known as the United States Senate.


38 posted on 01/29/2008 10:19:26 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: GeronL

Yeah but the independent insurance agent isn’t paying 1000% return that he promised you, he says the insurance company is doing that. So sue the company.


39 posted on 01/29/2008 10:19:53 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TommyDale
All organizations that take in money and claim tax exempt status should expect a lot of scrutiny, key word all. If Copeland is placed under advanced scrutiny we should expect the same for all the race hustlers like Jackson and Sharpton and all the Islamist surrogate ‘Charities’. Singling out Copeland et al would be selective prosecution and wrong, so Grassley need to step up and show us his intention to take on the rest otherwise the Democrats will gleefully support trashing the fundamentalist churches and pass on the rest and the Republicans will get rolled again.
40 posted on 01/29/2008 10:20:06 AM PST by Old North State
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