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Pentecostal preacher pledges holy war against GOP senator
The Carpetbagger Report ^ | January 28th, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Steve Benen

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:54:51 AM PST by FewsOrange

It hasn’t generated a lot of headlines, but in the world of religion and politics, it’s a pretty big deal. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, recently asked six high-profile, hyper-wealthy Pentecostal televangelists for their financial records, under the suspicion that they’re using their ministries for personal gain. (Imagine that.)

Not surprisingly, most of the televangelists’ ministries have been loath to cooperate with the inquiry. One in particular is pledging a holy war.

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has gone after more than a few iconic nonprofits during his tenure atop the Finance Committee, including the Red Cross, Smithsonian and Harvard University.

But now the Finance ranking member and former chairman may have met his match: televangelist Kenneth Copeland of the sprawling Kenneth Copeland Ministries based in Newark, Texas.

In a Jan. 22 closed-circuit broadcast of his 2008 Ministers’ Conference obtained by Roll Call, Copeland pledges a holy war against “Brother Grassley” and the Senate for attempting to get a look at the controversial ministry’s finances. Grassley wrote a Nov. 6 letter to Copeland and five other prominent ministers requesting a variety of financial information.

“You render unto the government what belongs to the government. And you render unto God what belongs to God,” Copeland loudly intones to approving murmurs from the crowd of 1,000 ministers and their guests.

Oh, the irony is rich. These TV preachers believe the separation of church and state is some kind of Satanic, communist plot to be rejected by decent people everywhere. That is, right up until a senator wonders if perhaps they’re abusing their tax-exempt status, at which point the church-state wall is high and impregnable.

Now, I should note that, as a rule, I’m not inclined to have government officials poking around churches’ books — unless the church is receiving tax dollars or is suspected of wrongdoing. In this case, the latter applies.

Grassley contacted six ministries that has engaged in activities that certainly look like fraud. These tax-exempt ministries are required, by law, not to use donations from followers to enrich themselves, and there’s considerable evidence that they’ve done just that.

It’s no wonder, then, that some of these Pentecostal televangelists are reluctant to share information with Grassley. Copeland seems to be quite the drama-queen about it.

After a searing attack on Grassley’s tactics — which Copeland says were designed to sully his image and pressure him via the media — Copeland says he will never provide information on his donors, even if he is ordered to do so by subpoena.

“You can go get a subpoena, and I won’t give it to you!” Copeland storms. “It’s not yours, it’s God’s and you’re not going to get it and that’s something I’ll go to prison over. So, just get over it!” he tells Grassley, jamming his finger into the air. “And if there’s a death penalty that applies, well just go for it!”

I see.

As for the broader political context, because the six ministries involved are all mega-churches, filled with likely Republican voters, there’s quite a bit of consternation about Grassley’s inquiry.

Doug Wead, head of evangelical outreach for ex-President George H.W. Bush, said the move threatens to fracture the tenuous coalition of Pentecostal and Baptist voters that supported President George W. Bush in his campaigns. He said the ministers see the probe as personal because Grassley is a Baptist and the churches are all Pentecostal. Grassley argues the inquiry is about tax-exempt policy and not religious doctrine. He says he did not know the churches’ denominations before the letters were sent.

“He’s dividing the base that George W. Bush had,” Wead contended. “He’s opened this deep fissure. If you look at it as a Republican, it looks disastrous.”

Well, that’s certainly a good reason for a senator to look the other way on suspected fraud and abuse, isn’t it?

As for what kind of “holy war” these ministries might consider, we haven’t seen any details yet, but it should be interesting. Stay tuned.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 110th; chuckgrassley; fleecingtheflock; grassley; kennethcopeland; moneychangers; probe; televangelists
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1 posted on 01/29/2008 9:54:52 AM PST by FewsOrange
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To: FewsOrange

Copeland can “name it and claim it” against Grassley. LOL!


2 posted on 01/29/2008 9:59:09 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: FewsOrange
Copeland says he will never provide information on his donors

Remove his tax exempt status and make him pay all back taxes.

3 posted on 01/29/2008 10:00:22 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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((PING))


4 posted on 01/29/2008 10:01:10 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fredhead and proud of it!)
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To: TommyDale

If Copeland has nothing to hide then comply with the Senators request. Open the door and let the sunshine in.


5 posted on 01/29/2008 10:01:32 AM PST by BARLF
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To: org.whodat

Copeland is running a business, not a ministry.


6 posted on 01/29/2008 10:01:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TommyDale

What’s that supposed to mean?


7 posted on 01/29/2008 10:01:39 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fredhead and proud of it!)
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To: FewsOrange

That is, right up until a senator wonders if perhaps they’re abusing their tax-exempt status, at which point the church-state wall is high and impregnable.”

Damn right. That’s exactly what the First Amendment is about. It is to protect churches - not to empower government to squash religious expression.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 10:01:41 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: FewsOrange

All anyone needs to do is go see why Grassley is investigating these phonies. Spending millions on elaborate property, furnishings, automobiles and airplanes — all while claiming tax exemptions as a religious organization — is enough to make anyone vomit.


9 posted on 01/29/2008 10:02:02 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: FewsOrange
Forgetting Grassley for a moment (and I have problems with him totally outside the scope of this issue) there are writers out there like the guy who prepared this piece who definitely seem to go into orgasm when they talk about someone taking down another holyroller preacher.

At the same time they ignore their friendly local neighborhood imam who'd cut off their head for shaving each morning.

Strange folks indeed.

10 posted on 01/29/2008 10:03:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TommyDale

I don’t believe I have ever seen a preacher holding a gun to anyone’s head and forcing them to give tribute...I have seen governments do that but not Copeland.


11 posted on 01/29/2008 10:04:06 AM PST by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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To: SatinDoll
"What’s that supposed to mean?"

Kenneth Copleland believes/teaches that if you want something, just "name it and claim it". It is a tenet of the Word Faith movement, a distorted idea fomented by the "prosperity" evangelists.

12 posted on 01/29/2008 10:04:06 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: AppyPappy
Copeland is running a business, not a ministry.

The majority of these pass the plate, collection of guilt agencies, God set me up and sent me are businesses as well. Oh and I am NOT a funder of Copeland's business.

13 posted on 01/29/2008 10:05:14 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: TommyDale
All anyone needs to do is go see why Grassley is investigating these phonies. Spending millions on elaborate property, furnishings, automobiles and airplanes — all while claiming tax exemptions as a religious organization — is enough to make anyone vomit.

Amen Brother!

Most of these televangelists don't have a clue about what it means to do what they do for God's Glory!


14 posted on 01/29/2008 10:06:00 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: The Louiswu
>i>"I don’t believe I have ever seen a preacher holding a gun to anyone’s head and forcing them to give tribute...I have seen governments do that but not Copeland."

All Grassley is asking is to show why the "tax exempt" ministers are abusing the tax codes in the name of their religion. When the IRS finally takes away the tax exemption for the little church on the local street corner, blame these charlatans who abused the tax laws, not the government.

15 posted on 01/29/2008 10:07:02 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: The Louiswu

True but if I said to you “Give me $2000 and I’ll give you something that will return that money 10 fold”, you would probably accuse me of fraud if that didn’t happen.


16 posted on 01/29/2008 10:07:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

“Send me your seed money!” LOL!


17 posted on 01/29/2008 10:09:12 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings

Looks like a holy war is coming from the TeeVee preachers. Better gird your loins.


18 posted on 01/29/2008 10:09:22 AM PST by Lord_Calvinus
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To: AppyPappy
Copeland is running a business, not a ministry.

"Brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show", pass the collection plate.

19 posted on 01/29/2008 10:09:52 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: AppyPappy
"True but if I said to you “Give me $2000 and I’ll give you something that will return that money 10 fold”, you would probably accuse me of fraud if that didn’t happen."

Not quite sure of what you mean. No one in the congregation is FORCED to give, those that give, give for their own reasons. They see they way the preachers live, all they have to do is stop giving.

I see the abuses of my government officials, but I have no right to refuse payment for those abuses, I think it is the government that needs looking into, not ministries.
20 posted on 01/29/2008 10:10:43 AM PST by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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