Posted on 01/01/2008 8:38:02 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
We start the year in Britain with a challenge to our essential nature, for 2008 might turn out to be the year when we decide to rip up the Magna Carta.
Among the basic civil rights in this country, there has always been, at least in theory, an inclination towards liberal democracy, which includes a tolerance of an individual's right to privacy.
We are born free and have the right to decide what freedom means, each for ourselves, and to have control over our outward existence, yet that will no longer be the case if we agree to identity cards.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Not too bad of a commentary regarding national ID cards from the “mother country”.
better download the text. it could be useful in the future.
Every tool to support freedom is a double-edged sword that must be handled very carefully. Unfortunately we are living in an age where another Hitler or Stalin will not have to work so hard to control their people.
Weak government is good government. We must never forget that.
—so what do we think about voter identification—??
—http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946764/posts
This specious accusation-in-disguise distracts from the fundamental fact that forcing someone to prove in advance he meets certain basic requirements determined by the state turns the presumption of innocence (essential for liberty) on its ear. One who fails to or refuses to meet the criteria set by the state is deemed deficient and therefore suspect prima facea.
Denigration of the right to privacy is the state's overthrow of the conscience as a person's authority; it's the ultimate tax.
Death-to-databases.
Think St Louis, Chicago, Memphis and Philadelphia where elections are now exercises of futility
With out absolute ID and proof of citizenship all liberty will disappear.
Brits allowed massive video surveillance and now they are alarmed by ID cards? With every new layer, it becomes more and more difficult to unwind the tyranny and insults to liberty. Libertarians and the Bible do not call the State a Leviathan, a beast with its own personality and appetite for power for nothing.
I don't think goebbels could have said it better.
Nationalist paranoia is a slippery slope.
The fears he had were grounded in the truths he observed about Socialists while he was one. They absolutely refused to criticize the abuses, hypocrisy, and lies of Socialists around the world; the goal of a socialist utopia was first in their minds and hearts by any means necessary.
The Socialists today are just as intellectually dishonest.
Whether the stated goal of national ID card is “national security” or national healthcare or public assistance plans, the big government types want to stuff the general population into a box and list us on a chart.
Also there should be suspicion of the marketing world. Everyone is so concerned about government keeping tabs on us. The private sector is too. And they will sell that information again and again (not just to the highest bidder). It is why identity theft is so rampant.
Funny, isn’t it? They want us all to carry an ID card while other people are also pretending to be us? Defeats the whole stated purpose of such IDs.
How about we scale back the size of government and stop keeping a paper trail on every email sent going back 20 years and every book purchase for the past 15.
“With out absolute ID and proof of citizenship all liberty will disappear”
Either you are trying to get a rise out of those of us that know better or you forget that in this country for over a hundred years no “papers” were required to be carried by a free people (with the exception of freed slaves in some parts of the country of course).
It can be acceptable to show some valid form of ID (just as you would to write/cash a check, drive a car, pick up a package, board an airplane, etc.) without mandating a unique voter ID “card”.
The bigger problem is we have to give our fingerprints to the State now to get a driver’s license here (have for 10 years now). The State has no good reason for doing so (they take prints from both hands so it isn’t just “biometrics”, one would be enough for that).
I would advise to quit looking backward and face a future of Rat controlled population centers where anything is possible when elections are absolutely controlled by margins appearing out of thin air.
“I would advise to quit looking backward...”
You are missing the whole point my friend...
If governemnt was not so omnipresent, intrusive and powerful as it is the elections you fret about so much would be irrelevant as liberty would prevail over a tyrannical government elected or not.
See how wonderful liberty can be?
Say “NO” to voter ID /s
Having lived for fifteen years in Europe...I as an American...have a unique prospective on this mess.
Every single European country requires some type of national ID card (besides your drivers license). Once issued...they are generally good for ten years and cost less than $20. None have any connection to the national social security program of their country, and each features one unique number.
You want a bank account...you produce that card. You want a credit card...you produce that card at the bank as you apply for it. You want to buy property or a vehicle...you produce the card. You want to vote...you produce the card. You get stopped by the cops....you produce the card. You want employment...you produce the card.
Bogus ID cards out there? Pretty rare...they actually lock you up for years for counterfeiting any ID card...with no pay-off to a political party or judge getting you out of jail. Stolen identity? I can’t recall a single case of such in the fifteen years here in Germany. Illegal voting? Doesn’t ever happen....you walk in and register in your town and know precisely where the voting booth is located...you show the ID before you vote...no ID-—no vote....with no chance of doing it two or three times or playing absentee in two different states.
Tyranny works like a dual-sided blade. I now have well over 200,000 Americans playing stolen identity games...with my credit ratings and my life. We are fairly sure that at least 500,000 votes (various sources are suggesting this high number) are being cast as a double-voter or as illegal alien votes.
Our votes are becoming more worthless...and our strong effort to have a clean financial record are heading in the same direction. Should I just settle back and accept all of this...and be happy that I am so “free”...or should I finally stand up and clean up the mess. Being “free” in such a republic...doesn’t mean much unless you protect what you have earned.
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