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1 posted on 11/30/2007 3:58:46 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

More open borders nonsense from the WSJ. Big surprise there. Thanks, Rupert.


2 posted on 11/30/2007 4:01:13 PM PST by mysterio
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U.S.-born Ph.D.s are hard to come by.

So, according to the Laws of Supply and Demand, they're being more highly compensated owing to their greater worth??

4 posted on 11/30/2007 4:03:40 PM PST by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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For some no doubt good reason, Americans don’t see a doctorate as the key to a decent career anymore. For foreign nationals it is exactly the key, but Americans have other options.


5 posted on 11/30/2007 4:04:15 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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This is so ridiculous. People here don’t seek PhD degrees because they aren’t necessary for the vast number of jobs available. There is such a thing as being overeducated.

When a person doesn’t know it is impossible, well they just go right on ahead and do it. I’ve come to the conclusion that most college educations teach you what isn’t possible.


8 posted on 11/30/2007 4:09:22 PM PST by SatinDoll
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Foreign-born students holding temporary visas received 33% of all research doctorates awarded by U.S. universities in 2006, according to an annual survey by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago. That number has climbed from 25% in 2001. But more to the point of business competitiveness, foreign students comprised 44% of science and engineering doctorates last year.

This may not be because there aren't enough American applicants, but because these universities won't accept a lot of American ones. I wonder what the Chinese people would say if 44% of doctorate candidates accepted into Chinese graduate schools were foreigners. Or what Americans would say if 44% of college slots were reserved for foreigners.

11 posted on 11/30/2007 4:16:54 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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One myth dogging the immigration debate is that Americans are opposed to legal immigration, and to encouraging foreign Ph.D. candidates to our shores.

This article does a nice job of perpetuating that myth, when the legal importation of skilled talent is not the issue at all.


13 posted on 11/30/2007 4:19:20 PM PST by Maceman
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Only foreigners are dumb enough to go in the technical disciplines. Americans know that the real action is the law. Science and business is all evil. At least that is was I have learned reading the press and watching tv.


16 posted on 11/30/2007 4:20:43 PM PST by depressed in 06 (Bolshecrat, the amoral party of what if and whine.)
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"In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias is a tendency to search for or interpret new information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions and avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs. It is a type of cognitive bias and represents an error of inductive inference, or as a form of selection bias toward confirmation of the hypothesis under study or disconfirmation of an alternative hypothesis.

"Confirmation bias is an area of interest in the teaching of critical thinking as the skill is misused if rigorous critical scrutiny is applied only to evidence challenging a preconceived idea but not to evidence supporting the same preconception.

From Wikipedia.

17 posted on 11/30/2007 4:21:42 PM PST by shrinkermd
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My brother will get his PhD in a year or two; all he has left is his dissertation (which is quite a bit, from what I hear.)


18 posted on 11/30/2007 4:21:44 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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With all those PHD’s in education you’d think we’d be turning out more scientists and engineers instead burger flippers.

Kinda sets one to thinking...


19 posted on 11/30/2007 4:23:08 PM PST by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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And all other things being equal, the American job applicant has an advantage because employers are required to pay an additional $4,000-$6,000 in taxes and fees on every H-1B visa holder they hire.

But the universities still cannot discriminate in favor of the American job applicant and wind up paying these huge fees and hating it. I know this for a fact.
20 posted on 11/30/2007 4:24:19 PM PST by aruanan
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My son, who has a PhD in physics, was heavily recruited by US defense contractors, while still in college.

Now that he has a Top Secret clearance and is working on sensitive military projects...makes lots of sense for them to hire a red-blooded American for that job.

23 posted on 11/30/2007 4:27:53 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Sorry to report this to you but a doctorate in anything but medicine is a POS. Especially in liberal arts. Might add philosophy, history, language, marketing etc. Just an excuse to stay in college spending daddy’s money.

As a young sales manager for Xerox, I had Harvard and Stanford big shots working for me. Elitist stupidity rules in their fake world of make believe.

Real entrepreneurs in America don’t need the elitist phonies from the worthless universities posing as education in this country.


26 posted on 11/30/2007 4:33:46 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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U.S.-born Ph.D.s are hard to come by.

That's true...I had a bunch of PhD's come speak to us in math class about research projects they were doing, and only one of them was American-born. And when I went through the hallways where their offices were, most of the names were foreign. There were Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Turks, Poles, Serbs, Germans, and one name that I couldn't recognize but looked slightly Middle Eastern or Indian....but very few Americans.
30 posted on 11/30/2007 4:38:47 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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PhD.s are plentiful in Russia, and they’ll work for $20 an hour. Get all of your electrical engineers in China and your computer science graduates in India and Islamist countries. ;-)

The best way to bust the trend at this stage of the game is to encourage it. I pray that oil will go to $200 per barrel and that the dollar will be worth one-tenth of what it’s worth very soon. ;-)

Go for it, Friends! Or get serious about dealing with Iran and increase US manufacturing soon! Vote for Duncan Hunter.


32 posted on 11/30/2007 4:42:52 PM PST by familyop (Roma est perdita)
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American Brain Drain (U.S.-born Ph.D.s are hard to come by.)

They aren't idiots.
They've gone to law school, med school.
Or are flipping houses, doing high-end auto mechanics or HVAC.

And I don't blame them.
33 posted on 11/30/2007 4:46:54 PM PST by VOA
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"...because employers are required to pay an additional $4,000-$6,000 in taxes and fees on every H-1B visa holder they hire."

That's not much to pay to support one's all-important vanity. "Yassa, massa! Here. Borrow my wife! Call me names. Threaten to deport me every day! Or if I'm working for you in my own country, have me hauled away by the secret police!"

Imagine being a feudal king or queen, worshipping yourself and stomping on your domestic neighbors whenever you like. ;-)


36 posted on 11/30/2007 4:50:10 PM PST by familyop (Roma est perdita)
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In the fields where it matters—science, mathematics, engineering, mathematical finance—there’s a good reason there are relatively few American Ph.D.’s: American K-12 mathematics and science education sucks. Of developed countries, only Canada does a worse job.

The worst of it is not that the K-12 schools fail to adequately teach real mathematics and science, but that the corrupt version they communicate (cf. recent threads on ‘Fuzzy Math’) kills the natural curiosity of students, so that by the time they hit university, it’s almost impossible to clean up the mess the lower schools have made of their reasoning ability.

Labor market protectionism in this area is a lousy idea: had it been implemented in the 1930’s and 40’s, Einstein, vonNeumann, Fermi, . . . would have gone somewhere else. The fix is to fix the K-12 schools, which will require a major shift in public attitude to overcome the entrenched interests that want to keep them in their current horrid state.


43 posted on 11/30/2007 5:08:44 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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btt


61 posted on 11/30/2007 7:48:28 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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After a generation or three of “DARE,” “Quest,” “etc.” programs in public schools this is no wonder. A Ph.D. these days is very likely a product of dumbed-down education. That is not to say the standards have been destroyed, only that liberal educators don’t have a clue when it comes to the same.


72 posted on 11/30/2007 10:35:35 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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