Posted on 11/19/2007 10:49:55 AM PST by SJackson
The Ron Paul story never seems to end -- and yet never seems to quite make it into the mainstream media. That's because, in the political equivalent of a bank shot, Paul's fringe support helps bleach embarrassing stains from the Democrats.
First there is the revelation that Jim C Perry, the "Orthodox Jewish" head of "Jews for Paul" also calls himself a gay pagan Unitarian.
Now it turns out that Perry, Paul's point man in response to questions raised by the Jewish Telegraph Agency, is also accused of stealing money from the local New Hampshire branch of the Libertarian Party. What a great guy! It's only an accusation. And the "Libertarian" Perry was in 2006 running for New Hampshire Legislature as a Democrat.
Oh yes: Then the federal raids started.
It turns out that some folks actually buy-in to Ron Paul's blither about US dollars being "phony money". Here Paul is talking about "phony money" at a recent Ron Paul rally outside the Philadelphia Mint with a large crowd including -- surprise, surprise, -- some more white supremacists. (Who show they fully understand the New Orleans protocol.)
Some of Paul's gold bug supporters been trying to pass so-called "Liberty Dollars" off as real currency at stores nationwide. Sleepy clerks have given them change in US currency for purchases. Raids have been conducted in the last few days by the FBI and Secret Service at Liberty Dollar HQ in a strip mall office in Evansville, Indiana, (that's not where I would be keeping three pounds of gold, but I digress) as well as Asheville, NC (here the segregationist ‘Council of Conservative Citizens' is very concerned) and a private mint located in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Arrests were also made recently in Wisconsin (on their blogsite, these geniuses detail three places where the spent Liberty Dollars as if they were legal tender). In 2006 two arrests had been made in Buffalo, NY. The Evanston raid netted a huge load of "Ron Paul Dollars" apparently just delivered from Idaho and backed perhaps by the full faith and credit of... Ron Paul?
Ron Paul's Evanston supporters went to Liberty Dollar HQ to protest with Ron Paul-for-president signs. At the Evansville Ron Paul site one of their leaders explains the defense strategy:
"I sent an email to infowars.com, so with any luck we'll make it on prisonplanet.com and go viral. If nothing else should come of this, maybe the LD can get a case before the Supreme Court and settle once and for all and maybe Ron Paul's name will be on more people's minds and lips."
And, yes Ron Paul donor 9-11 "troother" Alex Jones did post it. And it did go ‘viral'. But no that doesn't mean the 9-11 "troothers" are integral to the Ron Paul campaign because ...uh...uh... (insert Paulite rationalization here).
Meanwhile over at Reason Magazine, they seem to have lost all of theirs. Writes Jeff Taylor:
"As such, accounts of the (Evansville) raid focused on the Ron Paul angle seem off-base, at least given the available facts."
Sure, just close your eyes and it will all go away. Let yourself get sucked down the toilet with the frauds, and scammers. Reason wants us to believe that Ron Paul has absolutely nothing to do with Ron Paul dollars. But Paul's "troother" supporters believe that George Bush and ‘the Jooos' personally crawled through the ductwork at the World Trade Center to wire the explosives for controlled detonation.
Apparently they didn't get the message at the Daily Paul. Their response to the raid:
"This is pretty scary stuff and reminiscent of a time in Germany...I wonder if the motivation was our wonderful $4.3M day?"
The Street writes;
"...if the raid results in the conviction of anyone involved, it is possible that the Paul campaign may have to return a cash donation made by Liberty Dollar....So far, Liberty Dollar has donated $2,300 to the Paul campaign, a fact confirmed by both Paul's office and Bernard von NotHaus, who runs Liberty Dollar."
No connection there?
No tough questions for Paul, but plenty of fluff. Rolling Stone writes: "Republican takes the lead against the war." This comes after Bill Maher physically chased "troothers" from his studio audience October 19 shouting "out, out, out" and Bill Clinton stared down troother hecklers October 24 with: "An inside job? How dare you?"
The Democrats and their media are using the Paul campaign to scrape six years of accumulated "toother" scum off the Democrat Party, deposit it into the Libertarian movement make a little mess for the GOP. With Obama, Hillary and Edwards all refusing to promise to withdraw troops from Iraq by 2013 Democrats dream of losing the "surrender monkey" tag.
Here is a Chicago Tribune fluff piece with this gem of verbal judo:
"to a growing, Internet-based pool of supporters, the silver-haired obstetrician turned politician is the sanest man at the Republican debates and perhaps in all of Congress. Paul attracts an unusual political potpourri of people of all ages and viewpoints, including a sprinkling of conspiracy theorists and other extremists whose views Paul's campaign disavows."
No anti-Semites, KKKers, or FBI raids in sight anywhere -- just ‘conspiracy theorists'--but all neatly "disavowed." Really? Was that when Jesse Benton -- Ron Paul's national communications director -- said "I cannot say that we will be rejecting Mr. Black's (Stormfront) contribution?"
Well actually Ron Paul appears to be disavowing some contributions: those given by bankers and Wall Streeters. Corporate money is too dirty for Ron Paul to accept but KKK money is not?
The Chicago Tribune also offers this nugget:
"Paul appears financially comfortable but not exceedingly wealthy, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission. Most of his holdings are in about two dozen gold and silver firms, many valued at less than $15,000 and none valued at more than $250,000."
Do those firms benefit from the sale of Ron Paul Dollars? Of course they do; someone has to bring in the wrong way crowd to buy gold and silver at the top of the commodities cycle.
Meanwhile the mainstream media is mostly ignoring the cesspool of neo-Nazis, Klanners, Holocaust deniers, and gold-bugs-with-the-FBI-pounding-on-their-door, surrounding Paul. Why? The Democrats can unload some of their whack-job fringe to the GOP via Ron Paul and in their dreams, hang these nut jobs around the GOP's neck like a dead albatross. At the same time they assist Hillary or Obama in trying to move to the center for the general election.
Timing is everything. Paul has staked $1.1 million on the NH primary. His big fundraising push November 5 and now December 16 come conveniently before the Jan 1 reporting deadline. That deadline is too close to the Iowa and NH votes for evidence about Paul's supporters to make a difference.
The hard work is done. The information about Paul is on line neatly organized for even the laziest reporter in America to confirm, write up and look like a genius.
"As if Ron Paul's supporters needed any more motivation to storm the battlements and wreak havoc on the Republican presidential primary, now comes this: the feds are trying to take away their money."
Antonio Gramsci would be very proud.
So you WOULD undo 200 years of American government. And here we’ve been paying congress, presidents, and judges all those years...
You want to undo so much in one fell swoop. Perhaps it would be better to put all your energy into electing a stong conservative congress with a backbone and a 60% majority to straighten out the places where our laws have turned out poorly.
“Are the Clinton’s up to their old tricks?”
If so, then they’ve infiltrated Free Republic.
BUMP!
That's true, I've noted that relative to their internet tactics and questionable/illegal placing of signs in various states.
Remember they're not Republicans, so bashing the GOP is part of the dance. Paul himself says the party, like the government, has been hijacked (an act of coercion, theft, and or violence) by neocons
A classic example, his jews4ronpaul fiasco, a group started and financed by a progressive Democrat, a self described Jewish, Unitarian, Quaker whatever that is, booted from the Libertarian Party under a cloud of questionable financial dealings, and what does the group do?
Sell T Shirts and bash the Republican Jewish Coalition. Well, that's what progressive Dems do, but it's a scam to do it under the false pretense of Republicanism.
Do his FR supporters join in, you bet, noting that there aren’t enough Jewish Republicans around to worry about the RJC. Of course there are apparently enough anti-war Jewish voters for their fake organization to go after, an admission that they’re not pursuing Republican voters.
Another thing they do is attach Ron Paul’s name to positive articles about other candidates, so if you click on the article, you’re dragging Ron Paul with you. I’ve had it. Last night, they google-bombed Fred Thompson blogs by creating a negative Thompson article, then bombing it until it replaced a positive article. They must have inserted at least 10 negative articles. I’m only one person. I can’t fight the Ron Paul spam by myself.
Ron Paul Freaks at Anti War Rally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6Xv4gR66A
Ron Paul booth at Hempfest in Seattle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG0VLnTOzNw
When Paul spammers shut down messages that other candidates are trying to get out, then they are deliberately shutting down free speech. Ron Paul is working to subvert our 1st Amendment rights.
“Ron Paul supporters are campaigning heavily against Fred Thompson by creating fake websites that bad-mouth and deride Fred. They create a site, then google-bomb it to push all positive articles and official Fred websites off into Google netherland so that they won’t be seen.”
Hillary tactics!
If so, then they’ve infiltrated Free Republic.
True enough. But I wouldn't want to have to pay a $1 to every Freeper who foolishly voted for Ross Perot. It would break me.
I just noticed that you registered at the RINO forum and are posting your anti-Paul stuff there. Much more receptive audience over there. I wonder why?
Ummmm...you might want to double check on that.
Then you're way behind the curve, I've been registered there since they started, lots of posters I like there.
Paulbots whine about that a lot, being essentially bankrupt beyond personal attack.
I've posted at Liberty Post too. And other forums.
Don't like it, tough.
I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that pretty much anyone that "blogs", even whom I agree with 100%, suffer from serious douchiness.
Anti-war, bring the troops home now.
America sucks, it's a colonial power.
Those are their two top issues. It makes to sense to me.
“When Paul spammers shut down messages that other candidates are trying to get out, then they are deliberately shutting down free speech. Ron Paul is working to subvert our 1st Amendment rights.”
Glenn Beck in this You Tube video talks about the Ron Paul Cult crashing the web polls giving Ron Paul 95% of the vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpPsts1DYk
Glenn Beck hits on a lot of points made at this thread
[Sarcasm] Oh, I'm sorry, it's a private corporation of evil Jewish International Bankers whose chairman is nominated by the US President, confirmed by the US Congress, reports regularly to that Congress, and whose profits are turned over to the US Treasury every year. My bad!
Now if only we would nationalize all the banks, that would strike a blow against Judaeo-Bolshevism from which it would never recover! Oh, and then the mint could print worthless paper money, but since we wouldn't be borrowing from the Elders of Zion we'd be home free! Then we could declare war on Israel and make the world a utopia!
Hey . . . how come Hamilton and Washington supported a real private central bank in 1791 if it was so "unconstitutional?"
They're thoroughly dishonest, the examples abound.
You'll note a number of articles, and I think a thread, about Paul winning a Zogby thread, who I suspect is somewhat sympathetic as Paul was tho only one to attend his Dearborn meeting. Note his release, Paul's last amongst Republicans, first when you include Dems and independents.
Survey pits resumes of former New York mayor against those of Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and Fred Thompsonhttp://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1391
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, long the favorite in nationwide samples of likely Republican voters in the 2008 race for the party's presidential nomination, has the strongest resume of four top contenders, a new Zogby International survey shows.
The telephone survey, known as a “blind bio” poll because likely voters are given details of the candidates’ resumes without their names attached, shows Giuliani wins 34% support, compared to 22% each for Thompson and Romney. Ron Paul, who has surged recently in polls and has a significant online following, came in last with 13% support, while 9% said they were undecided on the question.
Only those four candidates were included in the question, which was commissioned by Jones Productions, a media company based in Austin, Texas. The survey included 389 likely Republican primary or caucus voters and was conducted Nov. 14–17, 2007. It carries a margin of error of +/– 5.1 percentage points.
The blind bio question was also posed to a larger pool of 1,009 likely voters nationwide, including Democrats and independents, and Paul was the big winner among that universe of voters, winning 33%, compared to 19% for Giuliani, 15% for Romney, and 13% for Thompson.
The results of the of the likely Republican primary voters can be found here:
http://www.zogby.com/x-Zogby Special Jones Productions 11-20-2007.pdf
For a complete methodological statement, please visit: http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.dbm?ID=1235
Likewise with me. Ever since the douchebag brigade (Gonzales, CWOJackson, Harry Hutchison, Poohbah, etc.) had a bitchfit and stomped away, the likability of that site has gone way up.
Paulbots whine about that a lot, being essentially bankrupt beyond personal attack.
I was just pointing out that on the moderate board, everyone agrees with your anti-Paul posts. Here on FR, which is a much more conservative forum, you have substantial rebuttals to your Paul posts, making my point that liberal/moderate Republicans are the core of the anti-Paul movement, while the conservative Paul detractors are on the fringe. Surely you noticed the disproportionate amount of Rudy supporters I've pointed out showing up on Paul threads over the last few days?
I have been saying that the Left has already been here for some time now. It’s definitely going on. Just READ some of the asinine crap that is being posted supposedly for Ron Paul - which is really against other candidates. Look at some of the anti-anyone-but-Paul and you will see the Left, anarchists and “libertarians” (which truly are at their worst, anarchists) at work here.
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