Posted on 10/23/2007 5:08:02 AM PDT by AU72
“...thereby throwing our nuclear agreement with North Korea into question.?
Yeah, if NK can’t offshore their nuke development to a terrorist-sponsoring country, then they may not make any more agreements with us to stop developing nukes.
We’re dealing with evil.
We need glass parking lots.
Lots of em.
I think it’s clear that Israel is not going to stand by while Iran goes nuclear. They are the real canary in the coal mine on the Iranian nuclear issue. If this is proof, we can assume that Iran does not have a weapon - YET. But watch the public declarations of Israel. They are sounding the alarm that Iran is dangerously close to reaching critical mass.
Amadinejad’s scamper back from Armenia could be directly related to this unfolding crisis.
Why are we so convinced that the Israelis actually performed this strike, or performed it with conventional (F15) aircraft?
I have trouble believing that even IDF pilots, good as they are, could fly completely across Syria, hit the reactor, and get back home undetected.
This leaves me with two possibilities:
1. The Israelis didn’t do it at all - we did, but we gave the Israelis credit for it.
2. The Israelis have Stealth fighters that they haven’t admitted to yet.
Option 1 seems more plausible.
Very possible and highly probable. If you look at the list of protests, they are at the top of the list. Syria protested, but then shut the hell up right after. DPRK has registered “strong complaints” with the UN and the US and Israelis.
I think not only were they there, they were killed dead on the site.
We must have the most credulous, gullible and naive State Departments in the history of the world. They are continuously and genuinely surprised that oppressive, fanatical dictators happen to be dishonest too.
Do you morons really believe that N. Korea ever had any intention of keeping its word???
How completely pathetic.
The important points this story brings up are these:
The two Reps and others, “among the mere handful of members of Congress briefed on the Israeli air strike.” Who? Pelosi? Reid? It is evident that they were likely among those briefed, and their silence is telling.
The rats are utterly unable to say a thing about this raid because it absolutely destroys their credibility (as if they had any left) on a host of points they stubbornly cling to, and because it would call into question their repeated denials of “no WMD, Bush Lied” as the plainly shameful political lie that it was.
The raid, to make a small pun, is radioactive.
Another point is the evident deepening rift within the Administration between the Cheney faction and the Rice faction. If Condi is as sold on these apparently futile Six Party Talks as she seems to be, she may become a big liability very soon. It is dangerous to have a fool in the position of Secretary of State. We have already suffered Maddy the Fat. That was bad enough. Condi should not deepen her errors by continuing to play games with liars. That is a pointless game, and only a fool would play it for real stakes.
Don’t be a fool, Condi.
Lastly, This episode shows that the Bush folks are fully willing to fight as they see fit and not really bother with the niceties of worrying about the MSM. They will just motor on in the darkness. I am now quite curious as to what other operations have gone down without any public splash, and which senior rat congressional people were briefed on. How do they later explain away that they had deliberatly lied about things they demonstrably knew were false? Their MSM allies will run as much interference for them as they can, but the truth does eventually win out.
We shall see...
The Sunday Times also reported that diplomats stationed in North Korea and China, based on intelligence reports reaching Asian governments, believed that a number of North Koreans had actually been killed in the raid.
Condi is not a fool. If this can be resolved diplomatically (real diplomacy, not handwaving for public consumption), then by all means defeat them without a shot - as Sun-Tsu advocated long ago. Going “hot” makes a biiiiig mess. This exercise may have been a demonstration of capabilities, intended to convince others “don’t go there”.
I agree with this assessment, and I agree also that this presents us with an extremely dangerous situation.
RE: Ileana Ros-Lehtinen - I have observed her for the past several years and I think that she is one sharp lady and a tremendously under-utilized asset to this country. For example, for several reasons, I believe she would be a devastatingly effective choice as a Vice-Presidential candidate for the GOP ticket.
With respect, Condi Rice has demonstrated beyond all question that she is most assuredly a fool. If she had been able to have her way this "demonstration" would not have happened at all.
What amazes me is that Israeli commandos went on the ground and took soil samples - both before and after the strike. Now that takes some serious testosterone.
I reserve judgement on whether she is a certified fool. The evidence so far is not promising, however...
Certainly Master Sun is quite correct. He always has been. It is important to look at other lessons to see that it is never good to leave your enemies intact. Condi is attempting to make agreements to which we are bound, and they are not monitored, which is as much as saying they are not bound, for no reason other than seemingly to have “an Agreement.” Thus, a zero-sum game with Western Civilization as the chumps.
Supposing I am entirely wrong and she does forge an Agreement that serves to end the ambitions of DPRK, Iran, Syria in the nuclear realm (I do not believe for a second that this will happen), what happens on 21 January 2009? Will President Hillary and her new Secretary of State Sandy Berger be as uncompromising?
Would the game of DPRK, Iran, Syria be Mao’s old gambit? Fight, talk. Talk, fight? It is the precise way to attack a democracy and, considering the traitors and fools which make up the rats and their allies in the MSM, a most effective one.
Condi’s game may be in the manner of Master Sun’s lesson of “always leave a way of retreat for your enemy” in that we are with the one hand smacking their nose and with the other showing them the way to not being smacked again. However, this strategy has a time limit and an effectiveness horizon of however long it is until Hillary takes the Oath. Then they are free to do as they wish.
Were there a credible belief that the rats are aware and prepared to deal with external threats to Western Civilization, diplomacy would be a viable option to going “hot.” Sadly, repeated examples of a complete inability to deal with or even recognize these threats is the standard of the rats.
We live in interesting times...
I have a new, Tom Jones / Country and Western song for the Iranians who live near their nuc plant.
“as they lay me neath the Green Green GLASS of Home.”
There was no nuclear device in Syria. Just a reactor under construction.
The bigger news is that non-U.S. air defense systems don’t work. Israel went *deep* into Syria without a scratch.
The Syrians detected the Israeli aircraft, tracked the Israeli long-range fuel tanks as they dropped into Turkey (where they were recovered within days), and fired at least 4 ground to air missiles at the Israeli F-15’s.
They just didn’t get any hits (which is unacceptable when you are defending the heart of your own territory - and a high value target in said territory at that).
The above facts do not support a “stealth” argument.
bttt
How wise the Monday morning quarterbacks are.
This was, I suspect, exactly Sharon's plan.
Warhead? Several early and unconfirmed reports on the Israeli raid point to the possibility that in the days immediately before the airstrike, the North Koreans may have shipped a cache of fissile material — possibly including a nuclear warhead — to Syria.
You can’t just carry a warhead out of Syria into Turkey - you need a truck. Now I’m wondering if slam-Turkey-over-Armenia thing was a rat retaliation for Turkish assistance in 9/6.
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