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Texas startup says it has batteries beat
Associated Press ^ | Tue Sep 4 | GRANT SLATER

Posted on 09/04/2007 10:37:19 AM PDT by 300magnum

AUSTIN, Texas - Millions of inventions pass quietly through the U.S. patent office each year. Patent No. 7,033,406 did, too, until energy insiders spotted six words in the filing that sounded like a death knell for the internal combustion engine.

An Austin-based startup called EEStor promised "technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries," meaning a motorist could plug in a car for five minutes and drive 500 miles roundtrip between Dallas and Houston without gasoline.

By contrast, some plug-in hybrids on the horizon would require motorists to charge their cars in a wall outlet overnight and promise only 50 miles of gasoline-free commute. And the popular hybrids on the road today still depend heavily on fossil fuels.

"It's a paradigm shift," said Ian Clifford, chief executive of Toronto-based ZENN Motor Co., which has licensed EEStor's invention. "The Achilles' heel to the electric car industry has been energy storage. By all rights, this would make internal combustion engines unnecessary."

Clifford's company bought rights to EEStor's technology in August 2005 and expects EEStor to start shipping the battery replacement later this year for use in ZENN Motor's short-range, low-speed vehicles.

The technology also could help invigorate the renewable-energy sector by providing efficient, lightning-fast storage for solar power, or, on a small scale, a flash-charge for cell phones and laptops.

Skeptics, though, fear the claims stretch the bounds of existing technology to the point of alchemy.

"We've been trying to make this type of thing for 20 years and no one has been able to do it," said Robert Hebner, director of the University of Texas Center for Electromechanics. "Depending on who you believe, they're at or beyond the limit of what is possible."

EEStor's secret ingredient is a material sandwiched between thousands of wafer-thin metal sheets, like a series of foil-and-paper gum wrappers stacked on top of each other. Charged particles stick to the metal sheets and move quickly across EEStor's proprietary material.

The result is an ultracapacitor, a battery-like device that stores and releases energy quickly.

Batteries rely on chemical reactions to store energy but can take hours to charge and release energy. The simplest capacitors found in computers and radios hold less energy but can charge or discharge instantly. Ultracapacitors take the best of both, stacking capacitors to increase capacity while maintaining the speed of simple capacitors.

Hebner said vehicles require bursts of energy to accelerate, a task better suited for capacitors than batteries.

"The idea of getting rid of the batteries and putting in capacitors is to get more power back and get it back faster," Hebner said.

But he said nothing close to EEStor's claim exists today.

For years, EEStor has tried to fly beneath the radar in the competitive industry for alternative energy, content with a phone-book listing and a handful of cryptic press releases.

Yet the speculation and skepticism have continued, fueled by the company's original assertion of making batteries obsolete — a claim that still resonates loudly for a company that rarely speaks, including declining an interview with The Associated Press.

The deal with ZENN Motor and a $3 million investment by the venture capital group Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, which made big-payoff early bets on companies like Google Inc. and Amazon.com Inc., hint that EEStor may be on the edge of a breakthrough technology, a "game changer" as Clifford put it.

ZENN Motor's public reports show that it so far has invested $3.8 million in and has promised another $1.2 million if the ultracapacitor company meets a third-party testing standard and then delivers a product.

Clifford said his company consulted experts and did a "tremendous amount of due diligence" on EEStor's innovation.

EEStor's founders have a track record. Richard D. Weir and Carl Nelson worked on disk-storage technology at IBM Corp. in the 1990s before forming EEStor in 2001. The two have acquired dozens of patents over two decades.

Neil Dikeman of Jane Capital Partners, an investor in clean technologies, said the nearly $7 million investment in EEStor pales compared with other energy storage endeavors, where investment has averaged $50 million to $100 million.

Yet curiosity is unusually high, Dikeman said, thanks to the investment by a prominent venture capital group and EEStor's secretive nature.

"The EEStor claims are around a process that would be quite revolutionary if they can make it work," Dikeman said.

Previous attempts to improve ultracapacitors have focused on improving the metal sheets by increasing the surface area where charges can attach.

EEStor is instead creating better nonconductive material for use between the metal sheets, using a chemical compound called barium titanate. The question is whether the company can mass-produce it.

ZENN Motor pays EEStor for passing milestones in the production process, and chemical researchers say the strength and functionality of this material is the only thing standing between EEStor and the holy grail of energy-storage technology.

Joseph Perry and the other researchers he oversees at Georgia Tech have used the same material to double the amount of energy a capacitor can hold. Perry says EEstor seems to be claiming an improvement of more than 400-fold, yet increasing a capacitor's retention ability often results in decreased strength of the materials.

"They're not saying a lot about how they're making these things," Perry said. "With these materials (described in the patent), that is a challenging process to carry out in a defect-free fashion."

Perry is not alone in his doubts. An ultracapacitor industry leader, Maxwell Technologies Inc., has kept a wary eye on EEStor's claims and offers a laundry list of things that could go wrong.

Among other things, the ultracapacitors described in EEStor's patent operate at extremely high voltage, 10 times greater than those Maxwell manufactures, and won't work with regular wall outlets, said Maxwell spokesman Mike Sund. He said capacitors could crack while bouncing down the road, or slowly discharge after a dayslong stint in the airport parking lot, leaving the driver stranded.

Until EEStor produces a final product, Perry said he joins energy professionals and enthusiasts alike in waiting to see if the company can own up to its six-word promise and banish the battery to recycling bins around the world.

"I am skeptical but I'd be very happy to be proved wrong," Perry said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: automobiles; automotive; energy; patents
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To: bigfootbob

Like they killed the Fish carburettor.


41 posted on 09/04/2007 11:18:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: billdcon

Charge/discharge...

you can dump charge regular battery packs right now...


42 posted on 09/04/2007 11:19:21 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: 300magnum
An ultracapacitor is all I need to finish building my Interocitor.


43 posted on 09/04/2007 11:19:52 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Lazamataz

If you can get them from my ex-wife, they’re yours.


44 posted on 09/04/2007 11:20:03 AM PDT by billdcon
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To: saganite
[Where do you think that will come from?]
 
Nanophotovoltaics

45 posted on 09/04/2007 11:20:03 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: ArtyFO
Sounds like the invention will be bought up by GMgm...

To protect their presently unprofitable business?

46 posted on 09/04/2007 11:21:01 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ArtyFO

I once was struck by lightening as I toped a hill during a thunder storm

Hmmmm

tope 1 Pronunciation, verb, toped, top·ing.
–verb (used without object) 1. to drink alcoholic liquor habitually and to excess.
–verb (used with object) 2. to drink (liquor) habitually and to excess.


[Origin: 1645–55; var. of obs. top to drink, in phrase top off (on the model of tip off to drink (a full helping) at a draught), special use of top to tilt. See topple]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/toped


47 posted on 09/04/2007 11:21:12 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: robertpaulsen
Wasn’t it Don R. that said in public, “that we don’t know what we don’t know”. Every expert on the subject bashed the invention of the airplane a while back, said it couldn’t be done.
48 posted on 09/04/2007 11:22:00 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: billdcon
If you can get them from my ex-wife, they’re yours.

Hey bud, I'm a LAWYER, not GODZILLA.

49 posted on 09/04/2007 11:22:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Why isn’t this in Breaking News????)
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To: VxH

That won’t even come close to the energy demands we’re talking about.


50 posted on 09/04/2007 11:23:16 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: 300magnum
"a motorist could plug in a car for five minutes and drive 500 miles without gasoline."

Some simple math: 1)Assume the vehicle efficiency is equivalent to a 50 mpg car. 500 miles would consume 10 gallons of gasoline. 2) 10 gallons of gasoline at 135000 BTU per gallon equals 1,350,000 BTU. 3) 1,350,000 BTU's equal 4000 KW. 4000 KW delivered in 5 minutes require 80,000,000 Watt-Hour per hour delivery rate of electricity. 4) 80 million watts at 220 volts equals 360,000 amps.
It would take 24,000 extension cords to carry this current. You might be able to charge the vehicle in five minutes, but it would take 6 days to plug, and unplug the cords.

51 posted on 09/04/2007 11:24:04 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: Lazamataz

Amen brother.


52 posted on 09/04/2007 11:27:05 AM PDT by billdcon
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To: saganite

[energy demands we’re talking about.]

I think it’ll be at least enough for the average commute.


53 posted on 09/04/2007 11:30:53 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: billdcon

Without violating your NDA can you comment on wether this is something they just think will work or is something they have produced in a lab and they are working on mass manufacturing process?

There is another company with a theory about manufacturing rechargable aluminium batteries but have never made a prototype.

A working prototype would be very encouraging.


54 posted on 09/04/2007 11:31:53 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: 300magnum
and chemical researchers say the strength and functionality of this material is the only thing standing between EEStor and the holy grail of energy-storage technology.

Duh, the dielectric is everything in a capacitor.

The thinner the dielectric the more plates can be used in a given space.
If they haven't determined the 'functionality and strength' of the dielectric, they haven't done anything.

55 posted on 09/04/2007 11:35:26 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: robertpaulsen

If you are using 10,000 volts, 50 amps would charge it in 6 minutes.


56 posted on 09/04/2007 11:35:30 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: billdcon
It’s been a while since I posted...I’d love to comment on this story, but I have an NDA on file with this company...I was involved with a project to try to adapt this technology to work at a smaller scale than what is discussed in this article. I’m not involved anymore, but I think the NDA still prevents me from discussing my opinions/experiences with this technology. A good primer on ultracapacitors can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapacitor . One thing that is not often talked about is this...my experience (and I am not an EE) is that things that can be charged very quickly, can also discharge very quickly. Food for thought

This would also make an excellent magazine for a laser or other energy based weapon.

57 posted on 09/04/2007 11:35:44 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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To: 300magnum

Other interested parties, even those with energy-technology experience/track-records/investments, might inquire with the EEStor and its principal capital investors:

to see if they may be willing to take-on some other partners; gaining access to capital and other resources that might help advance the conclusive production of a successful product.

The basis of the benefits of the additional partners is that there is most likely technical, mass-production and quality-control hurdles that EEStor must still overcome and, with conquering those hurdles in mind, having greater resources to do so can accrue benefits to EEStor and the existing capital partners, not just the new ones.

I hope that the kind of venture capitalists and energy-engineering principals I am thinking of are in fact approaching EEStor with offers to join them and with resources to help the project along.

Of course, the current investors and new ones would be looking for clarity of existing and remaining issues as well as clarity of the scientific proof of any claimed successful results. If the principal scientists are very convinced of the theoretical basis of possible success, but still unclear of the totality of the practical means to it, they should not be afraid of additional outside capital and technical resources to advance the theories to practical ends.

But, if the actual primary hurdle for EEStor proves, in the long run, to be their own fear of loss of control and thereby they deny themselves additional assistance that they need, and if the theoretical potential is correct, then their effort could remain fruitless for them, while others, less greedy for their own fame and maximum reward may succeed, based on the same theories, but with additional assistance they allow themselves to obtain in larger partnerships with others.

I don’t know if the theoretical goal of EEStor is or is not practical. I do know that finding the proof of the answer to that question, regardless of that answer, is of great benefit to many more people than just EEStor and its partners. I hope they seek and obtain greater assistance and come to that final answer sooner rather than later, so the energy-hungry world can more quickly put their solution to use or know to quit hoping for it and look more energetically elsewhere.


58 posted on 09/04/2007 11:37:38 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: silentreignofheroes

It’s power. P=EI. The less E, the more I is needed.


59 posted on 09/04/2007 11:39:03 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: OSHA

A car using this technology would get about the equivalent to more than 100 MPG. Gasoline engines are very inefficient. But yes, they are claiming a very high energy density.


60 posted on 09/04/2007 11:39:06 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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