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Texas startup says it has batteries beat
Associated Press ^ | Tue Sep 4 | GRANT SLATER

Posted on 09/04/2007 10:37:19 AM PDT by 300magnum

AUSTIN, Texas - Millions of inventions pass quietly through the U.S. patent office each year. Patent No. 7,033,406 did, too, until energy insiders spotted six words in the filing that sounded like a death knell for the internal combustion engine.

An Austin-based startup called EEStor promised "technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries," meaning a motorist could plug in a car for five minutes and drive 500 miles roundtrip between Dallas and Houston without gasoline.

By contrast, some plug-in hybrids on the horizon would require motorists to charge their cars in a wall outlet overnight and promise only 50 miles of gasoline-free commute. And the popular hybrids on the road today still depend heavily on fossil fuels.

"It's a paradigm shift," said Ian Clifford, chief executive of Toronto-based ZENN Motor Co., which has licensed EEStor's invention. "The Achilles' heel to the electric car industry has been energy storage. By all rights, this would make internal combustion engines unnecessary."

Clifford's company bought rights to EEStor's technology in August 2005 and expects EEStor to start shipping the battery replacement later this year for use in ZENN Motor's short-range, low-speed vehicles.

The technology also could help invigorate the renewable-energy sector by providing efficient, lightning-fast storage for solar power, or, on a small scale, a flash-charge for cell phones and laptops.

Skeptics, though, fear the claims stretch the bounds of existing technology to the point of alchemy.

"We've been trying to make this type of thing for 20 years and no one has been able to do it," said Robert Hebner, director of the University of Texas Center for Electromechanics. "Depending on who you believe, they're at or beyond the limit of what is possible."

EEStor's secret ingredient is a material sandwiched between thousands of wafer-thin metal sheets, like a series of foil-and-paper gum wrappers stacked on top of each other. Charged particles stick to the metal sheets and move quickly across EEStor's proprietary material.

The result is an ultracapacitor, a battery-like device that stores and releases energy quickly.

Batteries rely on chemical reactions to store energy but can take hours to charge and release energy. The simplest capacitors found in computers and radios hold less energy but can charge or discharge instantly. Ultracapacitors take the best of both, stacking capacitors to increase capacity while maintaining the speed of simple capacitors.

Hebner said vehicles require bursts of energy to accelerate, a task better suited for capacitors than batteries.

"The idea of getting rid of the batteries and putting in capacitors is to get more power back and get it back faster," Hebner said.

But he said nothing close to EEStor's claim exists today.

For years, EEStor has tried to fly beneath the radar in the competitive industry for alternative energy, content with a phone-book listing and a handful of cryptic press releases.

Yet the speculation and skepticism have continued, fueled by the company's original assertion of making batteries obsolete — a claim that still resonates loudly for a company that rarely speaks, including declining an interview with The Associated Press.

The deal with ZENN Motor and a $3 million investment by the venture capital group Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, which made big-payoff early bets on companies like Google Inc. and Amazon.com Inc., hint that EEStor may be on the edge of a breakthrough technology, a "game changer" as Clifford put it.

ZENN Motor's public reports show that it so far has invested $3.8 million in and has promised another $1.2 million if the ultracapacitor company meets a third-party testing standard and then delivers a product.

Clifford said his company consulted experts and did a "tremendous amount of due diligence" on EEStor's innovation.

EEStor's founders have a track record. Richard D. Weir and Carl Nelson worked on disk-storage technology at IBM Corp. in the 1990s before forming EEStor in 2001. The two have acquired dozens of patents over two decades.

Neil Dikeman of Jane Capital Partners, an investor in clean technologies, said the nearly $7 million investment in EEStor pales compared with other energy storage endeavors, where investment has averaged $50 million to $100 million.

Yet curiosity is unusually high, Dikeman said, thanks to the investment by a prominent venture capital group and EEStor's secretive nature.

"The EEStor claims are around a process that would be quite revolutionary if they can make it work," Dikeman said.

Previous attempts to improve ultracapacitors have focused on improving the metal sheets by increasing the surface area where charges can attach.

EEStor is instead creating better nonconductive material for use between the metal sheets, using a chemical compound called barium titanate. The question is whether the company can mass-produce it.

ZENN Motor pays EEStor for passing milestones in the production process, and chemical researchers say the strength and functionality of this material is the only thing standing between EEStor and the holy grail of energy-storage technology.

Joseph Perry and the other researchers he oversees at Georgia Tech have used the same material to double the amount of energy a capacitor can hold. Perry says EEstor seems to be claiming an improvement of more than 400-fold, yet increasing a capacitor's retention ability often results in decreased strength of the materials.

"They're not saying a lot about how they're making these things," Perry said. "With these materials (described in the patent), that is a challenging process to carry out in a defect-free fashion."

Perry is not alone in his doubts. An ultracapacitor industry leader, Maxwell Technologies Inc., has kept a wary eye on EEStor's claims and offers a laundry list of things that could go wrong.

Among other things, the ultracapacitors described in EEStor's patent operate at extremely high voltage, 10 times greater than those Maxwell manufactures, and won't work with regular wall outlets, said Maxwell spokesman Mike Sund. He said capacitors could crack while bouncing down the road, or slowly discharge after a dayslong stint in the airport parking lot, leaving the driver stranded.

Until EEStor produces a final product, Perry said he joins energy professionals and enthusiasts alike in waiting to see if the company can own up to its six-word promise and banish the battery to recycling bins around the world.

"I am skeptical but I'd be very happy to be proved wrong," Perry said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
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1 posted on 09/04/2007 10:37:40 AM PDT by 300magnum
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To: 300magnum; Uncledave

Ping!...........


2 posted on 09/04/2007 10:39:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: 300magnum
Clifford said his company consulted experts and did a "tremendous amount of due diligence" on EEStor's innovation.

Due diligence is a good thing...............

3 posted on 09/04/2007 10:41:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: 300magnum
Paging Algore. Algore, please pick up the phone.
4 posted on 09/04/2007 10:44:36 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The American Republic is slowing dying, and no one cares.)
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To: Red Badger
It would have been better to say: “exercised due diligence”. Diligence is due — “due diligence” isn’t something you do. (I know that this expression has become a business cliche.)
5 posted on 09/04/2007 10:47:30 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: 300magnum
"I am skeptical but I'd be very happy to be proved wrong," Perry said.

How can he possibly be skeptical?? It's a paradigm shift, for crying out loud! -

"It's a paradigm shift," said Ian Clifford, chief executive of Toronto-based ZENN Motor Co., which has licensed EEStor's invention.

6 posted on 09/04/2007 10:48:05 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: 300magnum

sounds cool if they can make it work. Imagine the profits!


7 posted on 09/04/2007 10:49:32 AM PDT by GeronL (Fred Thompson '0?)
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To: 300magnum
"We've been trying to make this type of thing for 20 years and no one has been able to do it," said Robert Hebner, director of the University of Texas Center for Electromechanics. "Depending on who you believe, they're at or beyond the limit of what is possible."

While I haven't got the scientific background to comment intelligently about whether this technology will do what is claimed, nor even the facts to give to someone who is so qualified, statements like that bring to mind something that Arthur C. Clarke said:

'If an elderly but distinguished scientist says that something is possible he is almost certainly right, but if he says that it is impossible he is very probably wrong.'

Generally, it is a mistake to bet against what inventors and engineers can do - given sufficient time and resources. This particular technology may or may not do as claimed - but someday in the not terribly distant future, someone will do the trick. Then the Arabs can go back to being nomadic goat herders.

8 posted on 09/04/2007 10:50:11 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: 300magnum

This reminds me of the pills that turn water into gasoline. I’ll wait until I see it for myself.


9 posted on 09/04/2007 10:50:24 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 300magnum

Quick, somebody post the “Not this shitte again” picture.

How can you file a patent on a promise?

“PROMISED ‘technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries,’”


10 posted on 09/04/2007 10:50:50 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: 300magnum
It takes a huge amount of energy to drive a car 500 miles. Just think what would happen if one of these discharges as a result of a car wreck....

On the plus side, I don't think there would be much blood. Just a nice (ick) barbeque smell.

11 posted on 09/04/2007 10:51:15 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: 300magnum
...plug in a car for five minutes and drive 500 miles roundtrip between Dallas and Houston without gasoline.

I haven't run the numbers but that claim implies a very high charging rate. I'd suggest standing back, way back.

12 posted on 09/04/2007 10:51:46 AM PDT by Bob
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To: 300magnum

It’s been a while since I posted...I’d love to comment on this story, but I have an NDA on file with this company...I was involved with a project to try to adapt this technology to work at a smaller scale than what is discussed in this article. I’m not involved anymore, but I think the NDA still prevents me from discussing my opinions/experiences with this technology. A good primer on ultracapacitors can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapacitor . One thing that is not often talked about is this...my experience (and I am not an EE) is that things that can be charged very quickly, can also discharge very quickly. Food for thought.


13 posted on 09/04/2007 10:52:05 AM PDT by billdcon
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To: 300magnum
Sounds like the latest 100 mpg carburetor to me.
14 posted on 09/04/2007 10:54:23 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: 300magnum

ultracapacitors + Nano carbon-fibre / titanium oxide Solar cells to fill them.

Bye bye petro-cash-cow.


15 posted on 09/04/2007 10:55:55 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: 300magnum

I’ve been waiting to see product for two years. They were supposed to release a working prototype last year.

I hope this is for real but the whole thing is starting to smell bad.

If they can produce a real product that meets thier claims, whole industries will change.

Power companies can use base load generators to produce all their power = lower electric prices.

Cars will not need engines = no need to import petroleum. It would charge in minutes or you would swap out units at a filling station. They also wouldn’t wear out like batteries.

The military will finally get their big friqqin lasers.

The windmill people will finally be able to produce power in a manner that can be planned and provided when it is useful.

Home back up power will be cheap and quiet and could be used for base load adjustment.


16 posted on 09/04/2007 10:56:28 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: 300magnum

I wonder if this thing is a lightening magnet. I once was struck by lightening as I toped a hill during a thunder storm. It blew off my CB antenna and fried the electronics in my Pickup.


17 posted on 09/04/2007 10:58:37 AM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: 300magnum

Big auto & Big oil will never allow this product to market.
/sarcasm


18 posted on 09/04/2007 11:00:01 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: 300magnum

Sounds like the invention will be bought up by GM and never see the light of day.


19 posted on 09/04/2007 11:00:45 AM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: billdcon

I am the attorney representing EEStor. You have just violated your NDA. Prepare to hand me your b*lls.


20 posted on 09/04/2007 11:02:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Why isn’t this in Breaking News????)
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To: 300magnum

bfl


21 posted on 09/04/2007 11:02:56 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: ArtyFO

[GM and never see the light of day.]

Buy a V8 and get rid of oil ASAP.


22 posted on 09/04/2007 11:03:35 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: r9etb
"It takes a huge amount of energy to drive a car 500 miles."

Correct. Now, try to load all that energy into the car in just 5 minutes via a plug.

Maybe a plug into 10,000 volts with cables the size of your arm. Ain't gonna happen. Simple physics gets in the way.

23 posted on 09/04/2007 11:04:03 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: 300magnum
So if this thing can hold enough energy to power a car 500 miles it could short out and explode like a transformer struck by lightning. Maybe the space shuttle should look into this for a new propellant.
24 posted on 09/04/2007 11:04:10 AM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: 300magnum

If it SEEMS too good to be true....


25 posted on 09/04/2007 11:04:44 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: Lee'sGhost

It’s done frequently. Most of the time, the purpose is to enable the holder to file an infringement claim on anyone who markets anything that actually does what the patent claim claims to do.

I’ve forgotten the name for this type of predatory patent filing.


26 posted on 09/04/2007 11:04:46 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Lazamataz

“...a series of foil-and-paper gum wrappers stacked on top of each other...”

Hey - that IS the secret!


27 posted on 09/04/2007 11:08:02 AM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: 300magnum
EEStor's secret ingredient is a material sandwiched between thousands of wafer-thin metal sheets, like a series of foil-and-paper gum wrappers stacked on top of each other. Charged particles stick to the metal sheets and move quickly across EEStor's proprietary material.

Just a large capacitor. It says that in the article also.

28 posted on 09/04/2007 11:09:22 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Ken H
It's a paradigm shift

Bingo!
29 posted on 09/04/2007 11:09:54 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: 300magnum

I wonder how they keep it from bleeding down? I would think that would be the show stopper. Anyway, the best of luck.


30 posted on 09/04/2007 11:10:40 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: geopyg

Yer sooed two.

I can has Lawyer Grammer.


31 posted on 09/04/2007 11:12:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Why isn’t this in Breaking News????)
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To: 300magnum

Good news if true. The same could be said of Steorn or bubble fusion however.


32 posted on 09/04/2007 11:14:15 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: billdcon
One thing that is not often talked about is this...my experience (and I am not an EE) is that things that can be charged very quickly, can also discharge very quickly. Food for thought.

Including a defect in one dielectric layer failing catastrophically, starting a casacade of failures in adjacent layers, and converting a trillion Joules into heat energy and light without warning.

33 posted on 09/04/2007 11:15:24 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = Cesspool + Flavor-Straw™)
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To: 300magnum
meaning a motorist could plug in a car for five minutes and drive 500 miles roundtrip between Dallas and Houston without gasoline.

480 miles at a generous 30MPG = 16 gallons of gas.
1 gallon = 1.3x10^8 Joules x 16 gal.= 2.1x10^9.
At 25% eff that's a total of 5x10^8 Joules/Watts required for the trip.

In five minutes? Doesn't seem likely to me.

34 posted on 09/04/2007 11:15:51 AM PDT by OSHA (Liberals will lick the boot on their necks if they think the other boot is on yours and mine.)
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To: 300magnum

35 posted on 09/04/2007 11:16:42 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: VxH

Bye bye petro-cash-cow.

Not really. Someone has to produce the electricity for electric cars. Where do you think that will come from?


36 posted on 09/04/2007 11:17:02 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: 300magnum

That is if your batteries are defective and they don’t blow up because you bought them made in China.


37 posted on 09/04/2007 11:17:40 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: dangerdoc

Hmmm, kind of like when Rockefeller and Standard Oil saved the whales...


38 posted on 09/04/2007 11:18:04 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Not E,,it’s I..


39 posted on 09/04/2007 11:18:09 AM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: freekitty

That should be aren’t.


40 posted on 09/04/2007 11:18:19 AM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: bigfootbob

Like they killed the Fish carburettor.


41 posted on 09/04/2007 11:18:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: billdcon

Charge/discharge...

you can dump charge regular battery packs right now...


42 posted on 09/04/2007 11:19:21 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: 300magnum
An ultracapacitor is all I need to finish building my Interocitor.


43 posted on 09/04/2007 11:19:52 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Lazamataz

If you can get them from my ex-wife, they’re yours.


44 posted on 09/04/2007 11:20:03 AM PDT by billdcon
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To: saganite
[Where do you think that will come from?]
 
Nanophotovoltaics

45 posted on 09/04/2007 11:20:03 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: ArtyFO
Sounds like the invention will be bought up by GMgm...

To protect their presently unprofitable business?

46 posted on 09/04/2007 11:21:01 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ArtyFO

I once was struck by lightening as I toped a hill during a thunder storm

Hmmmm

tope 1 Pronunciation, verb, toped, top·ing.
–verb (used without object) 1. to drink alcoholic liquor habitually and to excess.
–verb (used with object) 2. to drink (liquor) habitually and to excess.


[Origin: 1645–55; var. of obs. top to drink, in phrase top off (on the model of tip off to drink (a full helping) at a draught), special use of top to tilt. See topple]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/toped


47 posted on 09/04/2007 11:21:12 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: robertpaulsen
Wasn’t it Don R. that said in public, “that we don’t know what we don’t know”. Every expert on the subject bashed the invention of the airplane a while back, said it couldn’t be done.
48 posted on 09/04/2007 11:22:00 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: billdcon
If you can get them from my ex-wife, they’re yours.

Hey bud, I'm a LAWYER, not GODZILLA.

49 posted on 09/04/2007 11:22:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Why isn’t this in Breaking News????)
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To: VxH

That won’t even come close to the energy demands we’re talking about.


50 posted on 09/04/2007 11:23:16 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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