UK Citizens Abandoning the UK in Greater Numbers

Press Dispensary ^ | 7/25/2007

[uksupport1]

Firstly, I haven’t called you rascist. Secondly the term ‘filthy Asians’ has nothing to do with PC, most people would find it offensive.

You ask why I bring up the number of hispanics moving to the US when the story is about emigration from Britain. Well, the story suggests that it is to do with immigration that people are leaving the UK. If that were true, they why would these people move to countries such as France, Spain, Canada and the US that have higher levels of immigration than the UK? You have turned the argument into a rant about Muslims, when this group only makes up 2-3% of the UK population. I’ll repeat again, the UK faced a far more sustained threat from its Irish community during the Troubles. During that period, would it have been rational for UK citizens to abandon their country because of this group of immigrants? You say that Britain is being flooded by immigrants and that all sane people should leave the UK. This argument is illogical given the fact that the US has far higher levels of immigration to it than the UK. You focus on Muslims, but this group is in the minority of emigration to the UK. Also, many Muslims are decent and hard-working. Look at Muhammed Ali and the British boxers Danny Williams and Amir Kahn. They are not all murderous thugs. I do concede, however, that there is a global problem with a minority of Muslims (fanatics).

I have respect for all peoples. Most immigrants to any country, be they hispanic, Irish,Italian, British etc are merely seeking a better life.

I respect you, Sir, and you opinion: lets have a friendly debate :-)

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

The Polish plumber one?

The Poles took the criticism very gracefully--and were able to turn it into and advertisement to boot.

[Eighth Square]

You are correct in your heads up America comment, many of the more affluent, better educated and younger families have been quietly leaving for a couple decades now. I read an article a few years back outlining this, they called it a reverse brain drain. Looking at our decaying society and political corruption/incompetence, I can’t say that I blame them. If you have money and young kids it might be something to look at, but most of us are just praying for leaders to emerge so that we can halt the rot and turn the country around. Those leaders though are gonna have to be very smart, very loud and have a huge pair of rocks! IMO

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

Interestingly, some of the most ardent Muslim defenders (of moderate Muslims) and Eurabia skeptics are British freepers (and to a large extent other European freepers). And still a lot of non-European freepers don't take much of your collective first hand experience into account and harp on Europe turning into an islamofascist superstate within a century (it could happen, but it's improbable).

[billbears]

LOL, um yeah. I didn't need to actually see it again. Immigration is an interesting subject for the UK. But from what I've seen, heard, read, etc. it's not the Muslims taking over scare that some here would want us to believe.

Personally, if I could get my girlfriend to follow me, the taxes didn't suck, and the congestion charge were a bit lower to drive into London, I'd move to the UK tomorrow. Not London proper, I couldn't afford it.

[KodakKing]

forgot to quote, and sorry for getting off topic:
Clemenza wrote:
“Miami is an “international city.” It is essentially a financial and business center for multinationals doing business in Latin America. Like New York, it is “post-cultural.”
We are moving into a new world folks, whether you like it or not.”

I don’t mind it at all. I welcome it. BUT, I have had the pleasure of visiting 9 different European countries, and in each one, I was expected to at least attempt to converse in their language. It was not expected to converse in English, though many of them were fluent and were glad to once I made the effort to speak theirs. I just think that in the United States, English ought to be the spoken language, and if you come here, you ought to attempt to speak it. To go into a major US business and not be able to speak your own language. That to me is appalling. Just my opinion. Like it or not.

[pacelvi]

Bye Bye Britain

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1647

From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Mon, 2006-11-13 14:41

A quote from Roy Liddle in The Spectator, 11 November 2006

Apparently almost a million British citizens have left the country since 2000, to live somewhere else. Last year, according to the Office for National Statistics, 380,000 people left Britain, of whom about 200,000 were British citizens. At the same time, though, 565,000 immigrants arrived in Britain, the overwhelming majority from […] [Muslim] Pakistan and Bangladesh.

These facts were reported as if they were entirely unrelated. Nobody dared to venture that there was perhaps a very direct and causal relationship […] Even for our most free-thinking and dependable think-tank, Civitas, this was a bridge too far. Its spokesman, Robert Whelan, ventured that perhaps the parlous state of the [national] health service [NHS] was to blame for the exodus. You know, I suspect the majority of those who left had next to no contact with the NHS; they are, in the main, pre-middle-aged and healthy. No, it seems patently clear to me that an important reason […] that so many Brits are getting the hell out is that they think there are too many non-European foreigners here […]

[Clemenza]

I don’t mind it at all. I welcome it. BUT, I have had the pleasure of visiting 9 different European countries, and in each one, I was expected to at least attempt to converse in their language. It was not expected to converse in English, though many of them were fluent and were glad to once I made the effort to speak theirs.

Yes, but by that token, you would have to say that American retirees in Costa Rica should speak Spanish (for the most part, they don't), or that the wealthy Middle Easterners in Marbella would speak Spanish when amongst eachother or those who live in London would do the same in English.

In mixed business company, English is the lingua franca. I had a meeting in Panama where we had two folks from China, and a Panamanian citizen of Syrian birth. Want to guess which language we used?

I am 100% against bilingual education or official documents in languages other than English. Nevertheless, language is a COMMODITY that will change due to the demands of the market and the situation. If someone wants to conduct business in Esperanto, I could care less (unless they are doing business with me).

If anything, even in Europe and (to a lesser extent) Latin America, it is ENGLISH that is a threat the the national languages, not the other way around.

I also believe that the flip side of public institutions refusing to standardize everything to English is the fact that most Americans REFUSE to learn other languages! EVERY school should start foreign language instruction at the primary level, instead of two years in high school.

[BobS]

My German relatives moved to Almaria, Spain years ago. It’s a nice place to live. They take the train to Torremolinos and hang around the resorts on the Med. I miss that warm blue ocean. Benidorm is the best place. American women are the ones with the white titties:)

[ronnie raygun]

Look in the mirror America! It’s happening now!

[uksupport1]

We live in an age of mass migration. It wouldn’t surprise me if many of those emigrating lived abroad for a few years before returning home. Furthermore, many Brits emigrate to sunny areas of the world for retirement. It would be interesting to see how many of those emigrating are under 50-60.

[thebaron512]

I was thinking filthy Muslims....

[pacelvi]

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1644

Bye Bye Germany

From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Sat, 2006-11-11 04:22
A quote from the German weekly Der Spiegel, 10 November 2006

Faced with poor job prospects, high taxes and an intrusive bureaucracy, more and more Germans are choosing to emigrate. Most of those who leave, though, are highly qualified [and young] – which could mean devastating economic consequences. [...] They are fed up with living in a country where all opportunities already seem to be taken: opportunities to succeed in one’s career, to own property and to achieve prosperity.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1645
Bye Bye Holland
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Sat, 2006-11-11 14:40
A quote from Expatica, 10 November 2006

In the first nine months of this year, almost 100,000 people left the Netherlands to settle elsewhere, 12,000 more than the same period last year. […] The net effect means the Dutch population was reduced in the 2004-06 period by 75,000. In the preceding three years, there was a positive net migration of 75,000. Despite the dramatic reversal, the number of immigrants is also on the increase.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1909
Bye Bye Sweden
From the desk of The Brussels Journal on Fri, 2007-02-16 00:39
A quote from The Local, Sweden’s News in English, 15 February 2007

At the same time as immigration to Sweden increased, emigration out of the country also rose. During 2006, 44,908 people emigrated, an increase of 18 percent compared to the previous year.

The last time a higher number of people emigrated from Sweden was in 1892, 45,504 people packed their bags and left the country.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2166
Eldorado or Home. Europeans’ Flight from Europe
From the desk of Paul Belien on Wed, 2007-06-06 08:46
Last year more than 155,000 Germans emigrated from their native country. Since 2004 the number of ethnic Germans who leave each year is greater than the number of immigrants moving in. While the emigrants are highly motivated and well educated, “those coming in are mostly poor, untrained and hardly educated,” says Stephanie Wahl of the German Institute for Economics.

In a survey conducted in 2005 among German university students, 52 percent said they would rather leave their native country than remain there. By “voting with their feet,” young, educated Germans affirm that Germany has no future to offer them and their children. As one couple who moved to the United States told the newspaper Die Welt: “Here our children have a future in which they will not have to fear unemployment and social decline.” There are two main reasons why so-called “ethno-Germans” emigrate. Some complain that the tax rates in Germany are so high that it is no longer worthwhile working for a living there. Others indicate they no longer feel at home in a country whose cultural appearance is changing dramatically.

The situation is similar in other countries in Western Europe. Since 2003, emigration has exceeded immigration to the Netherlands. In 2006, the Dutch saw more than 130,000 compatriots leave. The rise in Dutch emigration peaked after the assassinations of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. This indicates that the flight from Europe is related to a loss of confidence in the future of nations which have taken in the Trojan horse of Islamism, but which, unlike the Trojans, lack the guts to fight.

Elsewhere in Western Europe immigration currently still surpasses emigration, though emigration figures are rising fast. In Belgium the number of emigrants surged by 15 percent in the past years. In Sweden, 50,000 people packed their bags last year — a rise of 18 percent compared to the previous year and the highest number of Swedes leaving since 1892. In the United Kingdom, almost 200,000 British citizens move out every year.

Americans who think that the European welfare state is the model to follow would do well to ponder the question why, if Europe is so wonderful, Europeans are fleeing from it. European welfare systems are redistribution mechanisms, taking money from skilled and educated Europeans in order to give it to nonskilled newcomers from the Third World.

Gunnar Heinsohn, a German sociologist at the University of Bremen, warns European governments that they are mistaken if they assume that qualified young ethnic Europeans will stay in Europe. “The really qualified are leaving,” Mr. Heinsohn says. “The only truly loyal towards France and Germany are those who are living off the welfare system, because there is no other place in the world that offers to pay for them... It is no wonder that young, hardworking people in France and Germany choose to emigrate,” he explains. “It is not just that they have to support their own aging population. If we take 100 20-year-olds [in France or Germany], then the 70 [indigenous] Frenchmen and Germans also have to support 30 immigrants of their own age and their offspring. This creates dejection in the local population, particularly in France, Germany and the Netherlands. So they run away.”

On Monday Francois Fillon, the new French prime minister, said that
“Europe is not Eldorado,” emphasizing that his government intends to
curb immigration by those who only seek welfare benefits. “Europe is
hospitable, France is an immigration country and will continue to be
so, but it will only accept foreigners prepared to integrate,” he
stressed. Europe cannot afford to be “Eldorado” for foreigners any
longer, because it has stopped being “home” for thousands of its own
educated children, now eagerly looking for opportunities to move to America, Canada, Australia or New Zealand – white European nations outside Europe.

While the fertility rate in France is 1.9 children per woman, two out of every five newborns in France are children of Arab or African immigrants. In Germany (fertility rate 1.37) 35 percent of all newborns have a non-German background. Paradoxically, fertility rates in Turkey, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc., are lower than among immigrants from these countries in Europe. “A woman in Tunisia has on average 1.7 children. In France she has six because the French government pays her to have them,” Mr. Heinsohn explains. “Of course, the money was never intended to benefit Tunisian women in particular, but French women will not touch this money, whereas the Tunisian women are only too happy to... For Danish and German women the welfare benefits are too low to be attractive. Not so for the immigrants. So, what we see in England, France, Germany and the Netherlands are immigrant women who take low-paid jobs which they supplement with public benefits. It is not a fantastic income but sufficient for them,” he said.

Europe’s welfare system is causing a perverse process of population replacement. If the Europeans want to save their culture, they will have to slay the welfare state.

This piece was originally published in The Washington Times on June 6, 2007 .

[uksupport1]

Many people in Britain and Europe look to your great country with much admiration. This is because your society is a great melting pot of different peoples and cultures. It is bemusing then to have US observers writing of the collapse of Western culture in Europe because we have started to have more diversity within our own societies. We still are much less diverse than the US.

[uksupport1]

That is a very interesting point. I wish I was intelligent enough to offer an explanation :-) All I can say is while there are some very dangerous Muslim fanatics in the West (who should be rooted out promptly), there are also many decent Muslims. For example,a Muslim community recently gave out 50,000 bottles of water for those affected by the floods in the UK.

[MrLee]

But to move to South Africa?? Suicide wish, maybe?

[uksupport1]

Furthermore, the British have faced more sophisticated terrorist opponents in the past and perhaps view the current Muslim threat in proportion to this.

[pacelvi]

I hear you. I’m on your side man.

I wish nothing more than for Europe to reclaim its heritage and fight the demographic and culture jihad that is being waged against it.

[razbinn]

The way you seem to be cosying up to these muslim filth and your blase attitude to the impending doom,I have to consider the following positions.First;you may be independently wealthy and so no matter what,you have the funds available to never have to deal directly with the problem.or secondly,you may be a 2nd,3rd,or 4th generation British subject of Pakistani descent,which would account for
your fondnes of these bottom-feeders

[uksupport1]

Cheers mate, my best wishes for your country also.

I think Britain will be OK.