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The System is Rigged. What Can "We The People" Do About It?
n/a ^ | 6/29/2007 | A Navy Vet

Posted on 06/27/2007 11:50:13 PM PDT by A Navy Vet

As the title implies, it appears more and more that our Constitutional Republic is becoming more corrupt by the day through back-room bribes and under-handed dealings regarding the Senate "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" package.

Currently, the Senate and the Executive Branch is efforting to force this legislation that will completely negate our system of justice by undermining our legal immigrations system and giving "special treatment" (amnesty) to those who have wait their turn.

I have long fought against "illegal immigration" in many ways and for many years. But I never believed that our Fedgov would so actively work to undermine what our Founding Fathers fought and died for (American sovereigny), not to mention the 10's of thousands who have died and been maimed for said ideals.

It's become painfully obvious to me with this monstrous and sovereign destroying collaboration between President Bush, Senator Kennedy, Senator McCain and many others, that our very existence as Republic will experience the final socialist nail in the coffin.

Even the most intellectually challenged can see how it will only help to increase the invasion of foreign nationals. And just how many foreign nationals do we need.

Here's a question that NO ONE, I mean NO ONE has ever answered in all my postings on the Internet: Just how many more of the planet Earth's oppressed should we take in every year? 500,000?; 1,000,000?; 2,000,000?; 4,000,000?; 8,000,000?; 16,000,000?; 32,000,000?

HOW MANY? How many will it take to degrade our amazing American standard of living? This is not rocket science. It's simple arithimetic.

So what do we do? Even if the House kills this obscenity, what do we do with these Senators who have pushed it? Attempting to vote them out of office rarely works. People are greedy and love the pork their Reps bring home.

So what to do? I don't believe in insurrection, but I have no problem with those who would use misdemeanors to get attention. I am not encouraging same. However, keep in mind how effective sit-ins and paint splashings (not on public property) and such have been for the liberal/marxists in the past. There are other ways to demean and dishonor those in Congress who dishonor us.

Again, I don't encourage illegal methods, but those who would make a point to counter the advancing socialism and totalitarian efforts of our so-called Senators, I would be tickled to see.

Got ideas? Or are you just going to keep going over to the local neighborhood polling place and push the button for the lessor of the evils? If so, then enjoy your slow decline into one more self-absorbed country that died within. Time to act, or cower in your living room with the latest reality show. Just know, there are actions you can take.


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1 posted on 06/27/2007 11:50:17 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet

Vote every incumbent out of office next year, like the voters came close to doing in 1994.


2 posted on 06/27/2007 11:54:23 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: A Navy Vet

Elect only candidates like Duncan Hunter—only those who’ve proven their positions with their voting records. Others will fool you.


3 posted on 06/27/2007 11:54:36 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: A Navy Vet


Burning flags that Americans won't burn.
4 posted on 06/27/2007 11:56:47 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: A Navy Vet
"...who have wait their turn." = "who have NOT waited their turn".

Sorry for any other typos in this rant, I am just pissed off beyond anything I ever encountered as an activist.

5 posted on 06/27/2007 11:57:32 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"Vote every incumbent out of office next year, like the voters came close to doing in 1994."

That's my plan for those who vote for this anti-American monstrousity.

6 posted on 06/27/2007 11:59:29 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum)
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To: familyop

There is an idea I could get behind.


7 posted on 06/28/2007 12:01:39 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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To: A Navy Vet

Carpe Diem. Get what’s yours. Arm yourself, stay safe, and start looking overseas. It’s a cabal on the Potomac.

If we lose, that is.


8 posted on 06/28/2007 12:03:31 AM PDT by IslandJeff (Repeal the 17th Amendment - We The People)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

There are some that stood their ground.


9 posted on 06/28/2007 12:04:21 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: familyop

“Elect only candidates like Duncan Hunter—only those who’ve proven their positions with their voting records. Others will fool you.”

Agreed. We need more people like him in office. We need to carefully examine each candidate’s voting records to see where they stand. We cannot let ourselves be fooled.


10 posted on 06/28/2007 12:05:39 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Don’t just vote, send money to primary challengers, opposing PACs and other fundraising efforts. Volunteer your time if you can as well to a challenger. We need, desperately, to clean house with some of “our” elected representatives, particularly in the Senate. They need to be reminded who elected them.

If they’re still there after a primary, it’s your choice whether to hold your nose and vote or not. Personally, were I represented by any Republican Senator who will vote tomorrow for cloture, I would not vote for them in their next campaign, even if it were five years from now. Let that be a lesson to them.


11 posted on 06/28/2007 12:06:49 AM PDT by CalGOPTom
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To: A Navy Vet

If any good comes out of all of this ... it’s this... it has been a eye opener ... big time. The shady backroom Senator’s have shown their stuff in front of millions of American taxpayer citizens. It has brought the average citizen out of the shadows and slapped them upside. It was hard watching the C-span coverage today and keeping oneself from throwing the coffee cup at the screen.
It also shows the power of the average person and that you do have a say in government by contacting your (and I use the term loosely) representatives and letting them know your dissatisfaction and outrage.
What to do? Vote them out... mass tax revolt... demonstrations... blog and forum participation, run for office yourself. All alternatives.


12 posted on 06/28/2007 12:14:06 AM PDT by BigFinn (You don’t have to be smarter than a fifth grader to oppose this bill.)
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To: A Navy Vet; Jim Robinson; Neil E. Wright
I understand if this is just too aggressive for your forum and you delete. I hope you don't - it needs to be said that "We The People" must find a different course to deal with the traitors of our Republic.

It's been a long time coming; this is the final straw. We can either hang around DC with our little demonstrations that mean nothing to the power-mongers as they jump into their limousines and beat feet, or we can look to other means to let them know their actions are no longer acceptable.

Personally, I am willing to use my own moneys to join a sit-in on the Capitol steps. So I get arrested for tresspassing? So what? - Sheehan, Sheen, Sean, et al have done it many times and gotten much publicity and gotten away with it with a fine. I'm not suggesting anyone else do it, but I'm willing.

The time has come to re-think our Constitutional Restoration efforts. We are literally being screwed by the United States Senate and Bush - our own president.

If not now - when?

13 posted on 06/28/2007 12:14:33 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum)
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To: A Navy Vet
It has to start at the voting booth. People need to voice their beliefs instead of a political party. I the DEM's and GOP can't offer someone suitable then look at Independents. Start looking early on and support them. If an Independent is not suitable or available then there is a write in option in most states or simply vote the other races and leave the ballot blank where no suitable choice is given. It is counted as well. All Precincts report the number of voters as well as the election returns. A blank space on the ballot is a None of the above vote.

In the mean time hold the electeds feet to the fire. Write them letters and letters to the editor in media outlets. Most important do not forget the records of politicians. If they could not hold up to pressure of the DEMs say as a senator in simple committee hearings they chaired then who in their right mind thinks they can do so as POTUS? Short voter memory is one of the RINO's best friends.

We have several senators recently elected and re-elected from the GOP with political past that should have been an issue. We have one former senator thinking about running who was at best a so so senator, folded under pressure to the DEM's and gave Bill Clinton a NOT GUILTY VOTE. He knew better than that. Forget it and vote for him anyway because he has charisma? Not me! That's what the DEMs do with the Kennedy's.

14 posted on 06/28/2007 12:16:14 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: IslandJeff; Jim Robinson; Neil E. Wright
"Carpe Diem. Get what’s yours. Arm yourself, stay safe, and start looking overseas. It’s a cabal on the Potomac. If we lose, that is."

It's already a "cabal". And yes, I'm looking at the Cayman Islands.

As for "carpe deim", look at my signature. It translates to: An Oath is Forever. I gave an oath to protect my country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I never renounced. It's become very obvious to me that we have "domestic" enemies within.

They are beyond simply voting for their favorite pork, they have now reached the low of negotiating behind closed doors to advance the social destruction of the US. And no, I don't believe that is their stated purpose, it is their stupid socialist compassionate conservatism and compassionate liberalism that drives them.

It seems so few in DC have any commonsense left regarding unintended circumstances. They seem like Paris Hilton who have been said yes to all her life. They campaign and get the good "vibes" from their supporters; go to DC to possibly do good things; the lobbyists do their manipulations though campaing funding and smooth talk; the politicians say yes to said lobbyists, and completey forget why they went to DC in the first place. That's my take.

Being someone who looks for solutions, here is my answer to the above:
1. Term limits;
2. Vastly shorten Congressional sessions (4 months a year - max);
3. Limitations on organized lobbys.

15 posted on 06/28/2007 12:30:18 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum)
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To: A Navy Vet
I don't believe its too aggressive, maybe not enough. A large majority of the people are at wits end with the Hill Gang (I use "gang" literally).

Passive resistance has worked well for the Libs/Progressives/socialists, or whatever they call themselves now, so why not use against them.

I like the idea of electing Duncan Hunter type candidates for our leaders. I would vote for Duncan.

We have to do it all to beat them now.

.02 worth

16 posted on 06/28/2007 12:35:00 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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To: cva66snipe; Jim Robinson; Neil E. Wright
"It has to start at the voting booth."

With the upmost due respect, BS. This fight over this insane Senate bill has been the biggest grassroots effort I have seen in my political life-time. At this moment - it's still questionable.

The voting booth means nothing anymore. It will especially mean little if this Amnesty is passed and the folks who would benefit start voting themselves more bennies. To paraphrase a Founding Father, "Once the populace understands they can vote themselves largess, the Republic is dead". This has been happening since Roosevelt.

Even if this obscene Amnesty bill is killed in the Senate, it has shown that our Fedgov is so out of touch as to be the elite that we once over-threw, as did France and Spain and others.

I'm not a conspricy nut, but these clandestine efforts by our own US Senate has been a real awakening for me. Sorry, shipmate, I'm just about done.

17 posted on 06/28/2007 12:42:22 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen; wk4bush2004

In my State, there was a nomination process for a Republican senatorial campaign. The top two candidates for nomination were a moderately wealthy, conservative (on family, defense and business) and another, very wealthy conservative (”fiscally” conservative but very socially to the left and probably not good for defense).

Our Party chose the anti-family candidate. Other social conservatives refused to vote for him. I voted for him. I won’t do that again. If I did, that would be a “go” for our Party to move more to the left.


18 posted on 06/28/2007 12:46:38 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen; wk4bush2004

That was in 2004, BTW.


19 posted on 06/28/2007 12:47:43 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: cva66snipe

“It has to be in the voting booth”

I wish that were true. I have a friend who was running for Congress - she lost. A week later, stacks (literally hundreds) of ballots were found in the trash - with votes for her.


20 posted on 06/28/2007 12:49:54 AM PDT by yorkie
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