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Amnesty And Fit Throwing
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Posted on 06/22/2007 6:57:10 AM PDT by Tribune7

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To: Tribune7
What's wrong with letting someone stay who snuck across the border 10 years ago, learned English, became a productive member of the community, and kept out of trouble? Especially considering the aggravation it would take to root him out.

What's wrong?
He's illegal.
He's a criminal.
He is being rewarded for going to the head of the line, unlawfully
It brings into serious question the hypocritical pontificating about "nation of laws"
It encourages dismissal of conforming to any and all other laws.

Other than that, nothing, really.

As for the "aggravation" part? That's cute. Is it less of an aggravation to catch arsonists? Muggers? Carjackers? Murderers? Burglars? Bank Robbers? Doesn't saying it's "impossible" to deport them all make it a self-fulfilling prophecy?

The legal immigration route was never closed (that's a whole other subject!). Once upon a time we picked and chose who came to our country. I still believe that that was a rational and universal choice for just about every civilized country.

81 posted on 06/22/2007 10:16:32 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Tribune7
What's wrong with letting someone stay who snuck across the border 10 years ago, learned English, became a productive member of the community, and kept out of trouble?

Everything.

82 posted on 06/22/2007 10:17:46 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Tribune7
What's wrong with letting someone stay who snuck across the border 10 years ago, learned English, became a productive member of the community, and kept out of trouble?

Because those are not the only folks to whom they are offering amnesty...
And they have not yet secured the border and don't seem to have any intentions of doing so.
83 posted on 06/22/2007 10:21:14 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Tribune7
Please send me your home address. I want to come and steal your car. I'll take good car of it, get regular oil changes and other maintenance, and keep it in good condition. Hopefully after 5 years or so, you'll just decide to let me keep it. Nothing wrong with that, right?

Oh, and send me your bank account numbers. I want to make a little "undocumented" withdrawal so that I can wisely invest some of your money, save it, etc. Since I'll do that, you'll just let me keep what I took, right?

You know, if you think that American citizenship is of such little worth that you'd give it away to criminals who are attempting to steal it, why don't you just renounce your own and get the hell out. The rest of us Americans who hold our birthright and citizenship valuable will forget you were ever our countryman.

84 posted on 06/22/2007 10:22:22 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Tribune7
What's wrong with letting someone stay who snuck across the border 10 years ago, learned English, became a productive member of the community, and kept out of trouble?

They broke the law. They continue to break the law by working. Their employers continue to break the law. Wages are being depressed. These illegals are likely being taken advantage of...

I could go on for quite some time.

The point is you are willing to ignore the law based on some arbitrary time period of how long ago they broke in. You are also willing to ignore their continuous law breaking by them working. You are also willing to ignore the employers' law breaking.,...

Where does it end? Do you not see that selectively enforcing laws will lead to many more laws not being observed? Really?

On a related note, do you not see how setting an arbitrary time period like you have will encourage more illegals to get in quick so they'll be in line for the 4th amnesty when it come?

Please tell me you left the /sarcasm off your post..

85 posted on 06/22/2007 10:25:19 AM PDT by Principled
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To: kevao
I'd rather be up to my keister in Mexicans than live in a "your papers please" society.

All that tells me is that you've never lived in a "up to your keister" community of uneducated, underclass people who mean well, but have no clue, and eventually become envious, frustrated and hostile.

Look at some of the "demonstration" videos and their primitive view of a just society.

86 posted on 06/22/2007 10:26:38 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Tribune7
I would be OK with an amnesty that was a dead end; no path to citizenship; no voting; no SS benefits; no welfare; no food stamps; no free housing; no free medical care; no automatic citizenship for their anchorbabies. Yes you can stay, but until you go home and go through the system like anyone else, you don’t get anything more than a paycheck.

But, of course, this couldn’t happen until after the border was sealed tighter than a duck’s butt.

87 posted on 06/22/2007 10:27:19 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Tribune7

Many conservatives love to throw petulant fits. It’s a feature of ‘rugged individualism’ which, I admit, they seem unable to explain.

Conservatives are as driven by emotional reaction as liberals. At times, both can be comparably immature, depending on circumstances. Indeed, many conservatives seem to be driven by strange motivations at times.


88 posted on 06/22/2007 10:30:25 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: kevao
How is an employer supposed to determine who's legal and who's not, without "papers"?

If the business involves handling cash over the counter and the business owner ends up with a cash drawer full of counterfeit money, whose responsibility is that?

If the person has a thick accent and does not speak English well, that should be a clue that maybe the documents provided by the job applicant need to be examined and verified closer than somebody who sounds and acts like they were born in this country and have spoken English for a while.

Is that profiling? I don't think so, but then again I don't have a major problem when I hand a gas station attendant a $50 and they look it over before they accept it.

89 posted on 06/22/2007 10:32:55 AM PDT by Bernard (You can't fix stupid. Stop trying.)
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To: Tribune7
Well there you go Pilgrim.

Just who would be these good people running amnesty boards?

Would it be like the ACLU filing frivolous lawsuits by going out and finding the most liberal thinking of judges.

Would immigration lawyers skirt the intent of the law by say sending gang clients to cities like Bezerkely and San Fransicko where anything goes?

Sorry pardoner but we need enforcement first and then a slow process of changing current laws.

90 posted on 06/22/2007 10:34:48 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Gorzaloon
I am going to get me one of those Z-visas! My problems will be solved.
91 posted on 06/22/2007 10:34:54 AM PDT by CHEE (Shoot low, they're crawling.)
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To: Gorzaloon
And this also means none of us have to file Income Tax returns or pay withholding either! I mean, millions of people hate those!

You took the words right out of my mouth. If we get "amnesty" I propose that we decide to ignore the IRS. We'll see how long the gov't decides to ignore us then. :-)

Cheers,
CSG

92 posted on 06/22/2007 10:38:42 AM PDT by CompSciGuy (Duncan Hunter for 2008 - no flip-floppers or RINO's please...)
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To: Tribune7

Foreign criminals should be deported, end of story.


93 posted on 06/22/2007 10:57:19 AM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: CompSciGuy

Which brings up a whole nother issue, the amnesty from paying the back taxes these illegals have avoided paying to the IRS. Would I get amnesty if I refused to pay taxes for a few years or file returns? Not even ... this amnesty crap is for more than just illegal entry into the US, it is giving these illegals rights we the people are not even given! That ought to be a clue to Republicans that it is a ponzie Kennedy/DNC/Schumer-Reid scheme. Why doesn’t it register?


94 posted on 06/22/2007 11:02:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: Tribune7

‘amnesty’
‘lawlessness’
‘anarchy’

these ARE all bad words.

it’s very simple...and it’s not mean. equal justice is more ‘compassionate’ than amnesty. fairness is equal justice under the law, not amnesty for lawbreakers, that’s UNfair and cruel.

don’t let them brainwash you by redefining the idea of ‘compassion’.


95 posted on 06/22/2007 11:07:02 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Tribune7
Anchor babies are citizens according to federal law and the fairest reading of the 14th Amendment Where is our amendment to the Constitution to restrict by-right citizenship?

Here's the other view of the discussion:

One View of 'Birthright'

96 posted on 06/22/2007 11:13:16 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: rolling_stone

AMEN! My aunt was struck by a car driven by an illegal alien while she was crossing a street in LA. She almost died. Over a year in hospital and rehab and by the Grace of God, she is alive today. We never did find out what happened to the perp. My senators and representative got an earful from me! (Politely, of course.)


97 posted on 06/22/2007 11:29:35 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Tribune7
What's wrong with letting someone stay who snuck across the border 10 years ago, learned English, became a productive member of the community, and kept out of trouble? Especially considering the aggravation it would take to root him out.It is so simple maybe you can understand. There are laws. There is a line. If they cut the line it is wrong.
98 posted on 06/22/2007 11:30:13 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: LadyNavyVet
Take away their access to jobs and social services and the vast majority will deport themselves.

No they won't. Have you ever seen a poor Mexican town? They would choose, as would I, to live in an American Landfill site. They are cleaner and smell better.

99 posted on 06/22/2007 12:27:35 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: Savage Beast
However, I expect that they would immediately vote Democrats into office and make matters unimaginably worse.

Amnesty isn't a grant of citizenship.

Social Security, for example, is almost broke, even without extending its entitlements to them.

I'm convinced that those paying into SS today aren't going to get their money back. Why not offer Mexican labor the privilege of supporting our elderly?

100 posted on 06/22/2007 1:12:25 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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