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Pluto status suffers another blow (Pluto Gets "plutoed" again!)
BBC News ^ | 06/15/07 | BBC News

Posted on 06/15/2007 8:04:06 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature

Pluto has suffered yet another blow to its status. Not only has it been demoted from planet to "dwarf planet", research now shows that it cannot even lay claim to being the biggest of these.

A study has confirmed that the dwarf planet Eris - whose discovery prompted Pluto's relegation from planet to dwarf - outranks it in mass.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: astronomy; dwarfsinouterspace; p4; p5; planets; pluto; rodneydangerfield; space; xplanets
The US team, whose work is published in the journal Science, described their finding as "Pluto's last stand".

Reclassification

The discovery of Eris, formerly known as 2003 UB313, marked the beginning of the end for Pluto as a planet.

Previous measurements from the Hubble Space Telescope confirmed that Eris was larger in diameter than Pluto, leading the International Astronomical Union (IAU) to rule in 2006 that Pluto could no longer be classed as a planet.

ERIS - WORLD OF DISCORD

First seen in 2003 but finally recognised in 2005 Given the designation 2003 UB313 until formal naming Highly elongated orbit around Sun lasting 560 years Currently positioned some 14.5 billion km from Earth Has extremely frigid surface temperature of -250C May have thin atmosphere when closest to Sun Is accompanied by a satellite called Dysnomia

A new category of dwarf planets was adopted, into which Pluto, Eris and another body called Ceres, which is located in the asteroid belt, were placed.

Eris lies some 14.5 billion km from Earth in a region of space known as the Kuiper Belt. It has a highly elongated orbit around the Sun that lasts 560 years.

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1 posted on 06/15/2007 8:04:09 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature
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To: K4Harty

Pluto will always be a planet in my book.


2 posted on 06/15/2007 8:06:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: K4Harty

3 posted on 06/15/2007 8:08:13 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: cripplecreek

Same here. Mess with Pluto and you mess with all the baby-boomers. Do so at your peril!


4 posted on 06/15/2007 8:08:27 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

I’m reasonable. We can include the others too.


5 posted on 06/15/2007 8:09:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: K4Harty

Eris is an illegal immigrant who’s taken up shop to put Pluto out of a job!

RESIST!


6 posted on 06/15/2007 8:13:20 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: cripplecreek

I never understood why they were so scared of just adding more planets.


7 posted on 06/15/2007 8:13:46 PM PDT by mhx
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To: K4Harty

8 posted on 06/15/2007 8:14:51 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: mhx
"I never understood why they were so scared of just adding more planets."

Are you kidding? More mouths to feed.........sheesh......

9 posted on 06/15/2007 8:16:22 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline

My very elegant mother just sat upon nine....used to be porcupines....maybe now it’s elephants...


10 posted on 06/15/2007 8:20:08 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: K4Harty

Oh, thought you were talking about me. Nevermind.

11 posted on 06/15/2007 8:20:27 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: mhx
I never understood why they were so scared of just adding more planets.

Because odds are within a couple decades we'd have 50+ or 100+ planets if you count stuff like Pluto and Eris.

12 posted on 06/15/2007 8:22:21 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: K4Harty

People actually get paid to argue about this shyt?

Where do I sign up? Easy money, LOL!


13 posted on 06/15/2007 8:26:57 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: cripplecreek

I found a bottle scuba diving. “Pluto Water - America’s Physic”.

It’s interesting since the bottom of the bottle has a relief of “Pluto”.

The god, not the planet.

And the bottle contained seawater, not Pluto Water, when I retrieved it from it’s natural environment.

Hmmm, I was ahead of the fishing commercial...


14 posted on 06/15/2007 8:28:22 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: azhenfud

Let’s blow Eris up.


15 posted on 06/15/2007 8:37:55 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Seruzawa
The wonder world of academia. Where you how the power to talk about things you’ve only read about in books.
16 posted on 06/15/2007 8:42:37 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree, think of all the science fair projects that will have to be shelved and the awards given back.


17 posted on 06/15/2007 8:43:55 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: K4Harty

Pluto- the Rodney Dangerfield of the Solar System.


18 posted on 06/15/2007 8:53:48 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Conspiracy theorists are among the most egotistical people, but have the fewest reasons to be such.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Ain’t that the truth.


19 posted on 06/15/2007 9:03:40 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: Strategerist

We already went through this two centuries ago with the discovery of Ceres, closely followed by a “series” of other asteroids. Initially, Ceres was hailed as the ninth planet. Note that in the TV series, “The Ascent of Man”, Jacob Bronowski invokes Ceres’ status as a planet to ridicule Hegel, somewhat unjustly IMHO.

Bronowski states that Ceres’ discovery confounded Hegel’s putative “proof” that there could only be 8 planets. I took the trouble to obtain a copy of Hegel’s thesis and found that he made a more limited claim. He criticized “Bode’s Law” on the basis that it allowed any number of planets, and said that any such law should accommodate only the known planets. Well, it’s much of a muchness.


20 posted on 06/15/2007 9:58:55 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: K4Harty

What are all the astrologers going to do? They draw up horoscopes using nine planets. Supposedly it rules Scorpio and the Eighth House. Sort of throws a wrench in things, doesn’t it?


21 posted on 06/15/2007 10:30:54 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: shibumi

All hail Discordia! ping.

Salcalypse the Younger


22 posted on 06/15/2007 10:43:22 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: I still care
Science has never stopped astrology. Even wonder why the paper lists the horrorscope on the cartoon page? Even they get it. :o)
23 posted on 06/16/2007 7:05:46 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: annie laurie; garbageseeker; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach; mikrofon; ...
Intercourse the small number of the International Astronomical Union's members who voted in favor of this. It didn't clarify anything, because it was a political act.
 
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24 posted on 06/16/2007 7:45:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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To Pluto -- And Far Beyond "To Pluto And Far Beyond" By David H. Levy, Parade, January 15, 2006 -- We don't have a dictionary definition yet that includes all the contingencies. In the wake of the new discovery, however, the International Astronomical Union has set up a group to develop a workable definition of planet. For our part, in consultation with several experienced planetary astronomers, Parade offers this definition: A planet is a body large enough that, when it formed, it condensed under its own gravity to be shaped like a sphere. It orbits a star directly and is not a moon of another planet.

25 posted on 06/16/2007 7:46:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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To: Seruzawa
>People actually get paid to argue about this

It is one of those
corporate conspiracies to
sell more of these things!
26 posted on 06/16/2007 7:52:45 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Salamander

Holy chao.


27 posted on 06/16/2007 8:22:06 AM PDT by kallisti (Stop making sense)
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To: BipolarBob
One of the interesting points of Scientific Worldview is the ability to discard viewpoints that were previously thought of as The Truth(tm).

There is no absolute Truth. There is only evidence, hypotheses drawn from them and Theories refined from hypotheses.

But even most longstanding theories are vulnerable to criticism, especially when confronted with new evidence.

This is not an admission of knowing nothing. This is an admission of fallibility. Scientist knows that his/her views may be incomplete. He/She knows that there is a possibility that he/she may be mistaken. He/she knows only that this particular theory is one that accounts for the facts and data available.

Infallibility is a tricky proposition. It takes only one counterexample to be proven wrong. In this case a true scientist admits that he/she was mistaken and starts rebuilding his hypotheses, not from the ground up but from the evidence available.

It is not shameful to be mistaken. It is shameful to discard evidence, refuse to face the facts and to draw proper conclusions from available facts.

Pluto was categorized as planet by coincidence, as someone gathering facts "lucked out" and discovered it. It got classified as "planet" before larger celestial bodies orbiting on similar orbits were found? These things happen.

We got new data? Then, let's evaluate anew what we think we know about solar system...

"Face the Facts. Face the facts. Then act on them. It's the only mantra I know, the only doctrine I have to offer you, and it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, don't buy into centuries-old dogma and dead rethoric. Don't give in to your conditioning or your visions ou your fucked-up sense of...whathever. Face the facts. Then act." --Quellcrist Falconer
28 posted on 06/16/2007 10:20:02 AM PDT by MirrorField (Just an opinion from atheist, minarchist and small-l libertarian.)
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To: MirrorField

I have no problem re-classifying a planet. Nothing to me really. And I appreciate your candidness on your take on truth and how you solve problems. I support your rights to free will and choose whatever path you choose for philosophy. And I applaud tolerance of others with differing opinions. I am a Christian and I do believe in The God of Abraham. I believe He is The Creator of the universe. More than likely we will go to our graves set in our philosophies. I expect to be resurrected in a more eternal body than the one I presently occupy. I’m not sure what hope you expect beyond the grave.


29 posted on 06/16/2007 10:29:58 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: theFIRMbss

Ha! They’ll never get me. I already have a Celestron 8”. Nyah ha ha!


30 posted on 06/16/2007 2:25:17 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: K4Harty

I have Ceres shown as a planet in a geography book dated about 1880. There are a couple of more. I’ll look them up. So are we going “backwards”. Scientists can be a little nutso...but they usually have something called “give me bucks” and I’ll keep on searching.


31 posted on 06/16/2007 2:33:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: K4Harty

Pluto replies.

32 posted on 06/16/2007 2:39:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Needs more protein!! Look how far he has to go to get around the sun!! Poor Pluto...


33 posted on 06/16/2007 2:41:49 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: K4Harty

Should plutonium be renamed dwarfonium? /s


34 posted on 06/16/2007 2:47:24 PM PDT by csvset
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To: Seruzawa
>Ha! They’ll never get me. I already have a Celestron 8”

Isn't that the scope
the Heaven's Gate cultists bought
to see the "space ship"

next to the Hale-Bopp?
(And they returned it because
they saw no space ship!)
35 posted on 06/16/2007 2:49:51 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Billthedrill

That is a funny shirt.


36 posted on 06/16/2007 5:09:48 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: kallisti; Salamander

That’s SACRED Chao to you, fella.

And by the way, it’s about to Mu.


37 posted on 06/17/2007 1:00:28 AM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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To: K4Harty

He is very upset about this.....

38 posted on 06/17/2007 1:25:38 AM PDT by NYFreeper
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To: NYFreeper

What movie was that?


39 posted on 06/17/2007 3:50:52 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: K4Harty
>What movie was that?


40 posted on 06/17/2007 6:25:17 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

Oh Yeah! I could have lived without ever hearing that title again. :o)


41 posted on 06/17/2007 10:21:52 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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