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The Grind's Almost Over to Forge two Perfect balls
Reuters ^ | 6/14/07 | Rob Taylor

Posted on 06/14/2007 10:36:36 PM PDT by anymouse

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To: aruanan

Yes, but it still depends on an “actual physical object”.


See post 36. Perhaps they could phrase it differently, but the important distinction remains.


81 posted on 06/15/2007 4:12:00 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: JRios1968

82 posted on 06/15/2007 4:20:05 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Beelzebubba

the balls may be taken on tour, rented out.

I hear Bill is doing that, and now Hillery! wants them back
in time for the campaign.


83 posted on 06/15/2007 4:31:47 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: anymouse

Back in 1966 I was reading a magazine and came across an ad for Timken bearings; it said, “It takes balls to make a revolution.”


84 posted on 06/15/2007 4:43:04 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Beelzebubba

“Or, the balls may be taken on tour, rented out.”

I thought that was illegal in most states????


85 posted on 06/15/2007 5:04:10 PM PDT by Nik Naym (If Republicans are your problem, Democrats aren't the answer!)
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To: r9etb

There are a kind of machine shop calibration blocks, called jo blocks, that have surfaces so flat that surrounding air pressure will make them stick together like a suction cup sticks to glass.


86 posted on 06/15/2007 5:16:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Straight Vermonter
Weight is relative, mass is a constant.

Sorry, I'm pretty sure they used to do it in Latin when I was a kid!

87 posted on 06/15/2007 5:16:23 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: Drew68
And on a related note, I really wish the US would have adopted the metric system.

We do! Haven't you bought soda pop or cigarettes lately??

88 posted on 06/15/2007 5:17:10 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: anymouse
"We have developed technology so that we can see what we are getting, whether they are slightly oval or flat. We are trying for an accuracy of two parts in 100 million," Giardini said.

That's still a few skillion atoms...

89 posted on 06/15/2007 5:20:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: r9etb
Cubes are not optimal for this. First off, the edges of the cube would be ragged. You'd get great deal of uncertainty.

Measurement of balls, or sphericity, is something that bearing manufacturers do well and to very tight tolerances. The technology for manufacturing and measuring bearing balls has also been around for a long time. It sounds like Australia has taken this technology a step further.

90 posted on 06/15/2007 5:53:40 PM PDT by caltaxed
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To: Larry Lucido
Perfect balls ping.

Yes, they do.

91 posted on 06/15/2007 5:55:39 PM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: Redcloak
Well, it was either that or an inappropriate squirrel joke.

I'm just wondering when we stopped using the brass monkey standard for measuring perfection. Or were those only used to measure temperature?

92 posted on 06/15/2007 6:01:48 PM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: anymouse

Two perfect balls, eh? Perhaps they could be loaned to our President.


93 posted on 06/15/2007 6:07:05 PM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: Beelzebubba
O2 content in the crystal will depend on how the crystal was grown.

A Silicon surface spontaneously oxidzes to SiO2 to a thickness of about 40 Angstroms at room temperature and then stops. This is a bit of a headache for semiconductor manufacturing processes. To get more SiO2 to grow on the Si you need to elevate the temperature and add steam. We used to use about 900 C and burn H2 in the furnace tube for the steam.

Si is fairly unreactive to most chemicals. To etch or dissolve Si with wet chemistry a mixture of HF and HNO3 some times with a little Iodine in the etchant.

The number of atoms of Si would be equal to 6.02x10^23 x (the number of Moles in 1Kg of Si) with a small error for the surface oxide and what ever gases are dissolved in the crystal lattice.

94 posted on 06/15/2007 6:12:04 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Beelzebubba
You must be a jouranalist...that is NOT a compliment...to be such a pee-poor reader.

I ALREADY explained that I am NOT talking about the damned balls; but SILICON, the element.

The ELEMENT is reactive; the JOURNALIST makes the error of claiming it ISN'T, because he did not understand, that as you & others say, it won't have any practical effect on the balls.

95 posted on 06/15/2007 6:26:58 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Si is actually fairly non-reactive at normal temperatures and in a normal atmosphere once the native atmospheic SiO2 layer is formed and that forms very quickly, on the order of a few minutes. It takes a lot to make Si react. There are ways to make Si react but not with out a lot of effort using some fairly exotic techniques-high temeperatures with steam to add more SiO2 or high temperatures with pure HCL gas flowing across the Si surface or in an RF plasma with SiF6 gas enetering the plama chamber.

Single crystal Si is usually grown from a melt(~1350 C) of amorphus or polycrytalline Si into which a seed crystal of the specific lattice orientaion desired—1,1,1 or 1,0,0 or 1,0,1, or 1,1,0, etc —is lowered while kept spinning and the slowly withdrwn from the melt.Much trouble is taken to keep all impurities out of the melt but you still get some gasses and other elements trapped in the crystal lattice. The Si for the balls may be produced in a different manner but most semiconductor Si is produced as I described.

So, yes Si is reactive But not by just sitting around in the vault at room temperature that these standards will be kept or by normal handling. I doubt that anyone would be allowed to touch them with bare hands after they are “complete”.


96 posted on 06/15/2007 7:13:43 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Congratulations on your intellectual triumph.


97 posted on 06/15/2007 7:15:43 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: Calamari

SiF6 should be SF6


98 posted on 06/15/2007 7:19:17 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: Calamari; Beelzebubba
Calamari said: "A Silicon surface spontaneously oxidzes to SiO2 to a thickness of about 40 Angstroms at room temperature and then stops."

Forty angstroms is 40E-10 meters. The diameter of the ball is perhaps .1E0 meters. The ratio is then 4E-8.

That ratio is greater than the target accuracy mentioned in the article of "two parts in 100 million". The oxide will form on opposite sides of the sphere, making the possible contribution of the oxide perhaps four times greater than the target accuracy for fabricating the spheres.

One may safely conclude that the inherent accuracy of the standard will be limited at somewhere in the 1E-7 range or higher. Once fabricated, the stability of the standard will be pretty good with proper care to avoid contamination of the sphere.

99 posted on 06/16/2007 11:01:15 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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