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The Grind's Almost Over to Forge two Perfect balls
Reuters ^ | 6/14/07 | Rob Taylor

Posted on 06/14/2007 10:36:36 PM PDT by anymouse

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To: null and void
null and void said: "BUT corners and edges chip. A sphere is far more mechanically robust."

Also, the sphere will be more "chemically" robust. That is, some of the chemical processes which would cause deterioration of the object will be acting at the surface of the object. A sphere has the minimum surface area possible for a given volume, thus minimizing the amount of deterioration at the surface.

61 posted on 06/15/2007 11:35:35 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: ApplegateRanch
ApplegateRanch said: "Silicon is stable, unlike Noble Metals, and doesn't oxidize---that is why I always have to dump a truck load of SiO^2 outta my shorts & shoes whenever I go to the beach."

I think you have a good point here. But a pure single-crystal silicon sphere is perhaps going to behave a lot like an aluminum sphere would behave. That is, a silicon-dioxide layer will probably form at the surface, perhaps penetrating some small depth into the sphere.

The resulting oxide layer will be relatively stable and will inhibit further oxidation, since oxygen will not readily penetrate the oxide layer.

It would not surprise me to learn that the fabrication will include oxidizing the surface.

62 posted on 06/15/2007 11:42:32 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; agent_delta

Perfect balls ping.

(That might even be a complete sentence)


63 posted on 06/15/2007 11:50:36 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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To: r9etb
Not quite. They're also ensuring that the mass of the sphere is exactly 1 kg.

Thought problem/experiment:

Perfect spheres, of X atoms diameter = 1 KG mass + an excess of atoms such that removing the excess uniformly from the surface leaves the sphere massing 1 KG - 1/2 the number of atoms in the outer most layer needed to make the sphere 1 kg.

To grind, or not to grind? Grind ONE and leave one, then use both in tandem?

64 posted on 06/15/2007 11:50:39 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: anymouse

“The Grind’s Almost Over to Forge two Perfect balls”

That’s gotta hurt.

No doubt, the balls will be perfectly blue too.


65 posted on 06/15/2007 11:52:27 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: anymouse

66 posted on 06/15/2007 11:56:28 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: ApplegateRanch
ApplegateRanch said: "Grind ONE and leave one, then use both in tandem?"

Probably not. I suggested in post 62 that some surface treatment might be beneficial. The silicon-dioxide layer will be much harder than just a silicon layer, if memory serves, and thus more durable.

But the depth of any such chemical treatment will probably be quite small compared to the radius of the sphere. It would not surprise me if the difference was less than the ability to resolve the mass difference.

Stability of the sphere is probably more important than having exactly the requisiet number of silicon atoms. One could probably calculate the contribution of an oxide layer to the total mass and adjust the radius to compensate. But the adjustment might be quite small.

Once a targetted radius is calculated, it then becomes a chore to "grind" the sphere to proper size. Infra-red lasers might be used to measure many "diameters" and an averaging done to size the sphere properly.

In fact, a very useful check on the process would be to process each sphere and then compare their masses. Anything less than a dramatic agreement in the two masses would indicate variability in the fabrication process which would limit the final usefulness of the product.

There could still be systematic errors in fabrication which could bias both spheres in the same directions. These errors would be hard to spot.

67 posted on 06/15/2007 12:08:47 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: word_warrior_bob
"The part they didn’t tell you is that John McCain has commissioned this project, he would like to fidget with the balls in his hands, he claims he can feel the imperfections in the steel balls he currently fidgets with."

It was the strawberries, the strawberries I saw. They laughed at me but I knew about the strawberries, I knew it I tell ya.

68 posted on 06/15/2007 12:14:38 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: ApplegateRanch

I think those spheres are made of nothing but Si atoms, linked in a crystal.

No O2 in there.


69 posted on 06/15/2007 1:18:00 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: William Tell

Infra-red lasers might be used to measure many “diameters” and an averaging done to size the sphere properly.


Just put it on a bearing mount, and spin it about, using an interferometer like a machinist’s dial indicator, noting min and max radius.


70 posted on 06/15/2007 1:20:42 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: Kirkwood
"a sphere has not one, but rather it has innumerable sides"

Bearing ball manufacturing grinds out millions of bearing balls per day that are spherical to within a few microns. These do not require a flat reference to manufacture, nor measure. Think beyond Cartesian coordinates.

71 posted on 06/15/2007 1:26:51 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: Beelzebubba
Beelzebubba said: "Just put it on a bearing mount, and spin it about, using an interferometer like a machinist’s dial indicator, noting min and max radius."

At the level of precision desired in this case, how does one avoid measuring runout and imperfections of the bearing system?

I was thinking that maybe there was a way to measure a particular diameter from one side of the sphere to the other, in absolute terms of a certain number of wavelengths of some infrared standard.

Perhaps one can accomplish an absolute measure of diameter by fabricating a length standard first to calibrate the bearing system?

72 posted on 06/15/2007 1:41:16 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Beelzebubba; William Tell
No O2 in there.

...until it is exposed to earth's atmosphere & moisture (humidity).

The gist of my statement is that easily Si reacts with O^2 to form oxides; that it is NOT 'non-reactive' as a certain ignorant keyboard jocky, who never studied any kind of technical subject beyond 6th grade general science, asserted.

Take a look at William Tell's #62 & #67.

IOW, it was a criticism of a journalist who does not understand what he was seeing & hearing, then presuming to educate his readers down to his own level of ignorance.

73 posted on 06/15/2007 1:59:01 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: anymouse

And jus thow many stones will this thing weigh again?

hahahahaha.


74 posted on 06/15/2007 2:01:13 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Larry Lucido

Ha ha ha


75 posted on 06/15/2007 2:04:55 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.)
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To: Redcloak
You and your fancy book learnin', puttin' on airs and whutnot.
76 posted on 06/15/2007 2:05:10 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

Well, it was either that or an inappropriate squirrel joke.


77 posted on 06/15/2007 2:26:29 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: William Tell

>>At the level of precision desired in this case, how does one avoid measuring runout and imperfections of the bearing system?

Hire technical experts. Anything is possible. Air bearings? A slightly larger cup filled with an oil film might do it.

>Perhaps one can accomplish an absolute measure of diameter by fabricating a length standard first to calibrate the bearing system?

Yes, you’d probably look for cyclic variations corresponding to the characteristics of the bearing system.


78 posted on 06/15/2007 4:03:32 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: ApplegateRanch

Sorry, but you’re going to have to explain how oxygen can get into a pure silicon crystalline matrix. It might stick to the outermost Silicon atoms (I’m unsure about that), but that would not be a factor in diameter or mass.


79 posted on 06/15/2007 4:05:38 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney (...and another "Constitution-bot"))
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To: Beelzebubba

Yes, but it still depends on an “actual physical object”.


80 posted on 06/15/2007 4:06:47 PM PDT by aruanan
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