Posted on 06/01/2007 7:52:35 AM PDT by GFritsch
Great time to start a legitimate Third Party and clean house!
Forget about it. No one is seriously going to stop this. It might get delayed. It might get altered at first and then the alterations removed later.
We have to learn to live with this invasion. It might mean forming secret societies to enforce our collective ability to survive. I’m sure that sounds paranoid, but really, folks, no one is going to stop the invasion and life will not go on with business as usual. There will be major changes. We should be thinking about a proactive role for us in this new and highly anti-American country that we are going to find ourselves living in.
But to have this and the 'North American Union' shoved down our throats is tantamount not only to treason but to inciting insurrection. Not on the part of the illiterate illegals, or on the part of the terrorists who slithered in with them, but on the part of the majority of Americans who are sick and tired of this complicit two party system.
I'm afraid that this treachery on the part of our elite political class will lead to us looking off in the distance for a benevolent dictator like Franco!
I agree wholeheartedly with this and your other comments.
This treachery by our elected elites will not stand.
Or, we can stand and fight. By its treasonous actions this government has rendered itself utterly dispensable.
I'm afraid that this treachery on the part of our elite political class will lead to us looking off in the distance for a benevolent dictator like Franco!Well, I'd be leery of anyone with that kind of name (only because of the particular issue we're talking about), but yeah, in principle --- if the circumstances deteriorate past a certain point --- just such a thing might actually become the lesser-of-all-evil-possibilities.
So they want illegal aliens to pay fines that could total as much as $5000, for them to be insulated from justice demanded by the laws they’ve violated, and for them to be put on a path to citizenship and Legislators say this isn’t amnesty.
The penalty for just crossing the border at any place but a designated entry point is fines up to $5000 PLUS deportation, so illegal aliens are being told by this legislation they will only have to pay no more than the original penalty due PLUS they’ll be insulated from deportation proceedings AND be placed on a path to citizenship.
Legislators of all stripes are nothing but liars to even suggest this bill isn’t about amnesty.
Gubamyster, I wish you’d link to or post the pic of the border sign.
Yes indeed!
Do they get away with it again?
I just called both of my (TN) senators (using the hotline set up by the Zamnesty supporters at 1-800-417-7666) and got right through to a real person in both cases. In addition, I called the President Comment line at 1-202-456-1111 and to my surprise, waited less than 2 minutes to talk to someone about the bill.
In each case, I mentioned five points. First, that the President is dead wrong on this subject, and that clinging to it in the face of near universal opposition from the base of his own party is tearing the Republican party apart.
Second, contrary to the language games that the President and other Zamnesty supporters are peddling, EVERY ONE of these invaders will automatically and immediately receive provisional Z visa status - permission to remain here indefinitely, without sanction or penalty. They can remain outside the system as long as they please.
Third, according to Gun Owners Of America, the bill contains restrictive, punitive gun control provisions that have NOTHING to do with illegal immigration or border control. How many more of these Senatorial “tricks of the legislative trade” does this “comprehensive” conglomeration of pet projects and provisions contain? The Senate - specifically, the Republican Zamnesty supporters - has proved itself unworthy of our trust.
Four, BY LAW, we are supposed to have 700 miles of fence on the border. In a full year, we have just 2 of those miles actually built. Legislative promises bearing the full imprimatur of the US Congress and President, have been ignored, so please do not demean my intelligence by offering NEW promises without real performance. Until I see documentation of 700 miles of high security border fence, DO NOT ask me to believe you.
Finally, number five. The Washington Times reported on May 31 that the RNC has experienced a 40 percent decline in small donor contributions, along with 99 percent opposition to the immigration bill before Congress. The RNC response? THEY FIRED ALL 65 PHONE SOLICITORS, and shut down the phone bank! Well, killing the messenger that way does nothing more - or less - than killing off the base of the party. They will stay home or vote third party on election day, and the RINOs will go extinct, just as they deserve.
Good for you! Thanks for your robust political activity. Did you get any response from the various people you spoke with?
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Hello? Reality check time for you. What a defeatist attitude. With people like you there is no hope, but fortunately we have people who will fight. Let me remind you that the people who led the fight for the revolution were the "rich, fat" people, they were the upper class and they were the ones leading the fighting.
You claim you see "reality", I see reality also and I see a different "reality" than yours. I see people fighting and slaming their legislators and Bush daily over this insanity and I talk to plenty of people who will fight physically if they have to.
Our politicians no we will fight that is why they are trying to disarm us and if they ever do then the sh** will hit the fan heavily.
Again, you are a defeatists, with a piss poor attitude. Try not to infect anyone else with your give up stance, it is very shameful to know we have Americans like you willing to throw in the towel without a fight!
Militarize the borders. We need no border wall.
Bigtime, thanks to the OBL traitors.
On the I-5 freeway underpass down by Caesar Chavez street in San Diego is a big mural depicting Atzland.
I wonder why the city of San Diego puts up with this kind of crap.
This is like two guys going to Las Vegas, the Democrat is going to Vegas to own the casino, and the mathematical certainty of winning, while the Republican is excited because he was given $1000 to spend in the casino and thinks he's going to get rich betting against that same mathematical certainty.
Insanity for any Republican to vote for this illegal alien amnesty!
Bttt!
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