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Thank You, Ron Paul (Libertarian defeatist sides with Congressman)
Baltimore Chronicle and Sentinal ^ | May 18, 2007 | Sheldon Richman

Posted on 05/20/2007 6:35:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

During the recent Republican debate, Congressman Ron Paul spoke the truth about U.S. Middle East policies and faced down attacks by hostile fellow presidential candidates. Ron Paul, a Republican congressman running for president, is saying what needs to be said about the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq war. Clearly, his rivals and the news media can't handle the truth. At the most recent Republican debate, Paul not only repeated his opposition to the illegal and unconstitutional war, but he also identified 50 years of U.S. intervention in the Middle East as "a major contributing factor" in al-Qaeda's attacks in 2001.

"Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack[ed] us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East," Paul said.

Paul thus becomes the first person in mainstream politics--he's been in Congress many years--to acknowledge that U.S. foreign policy has had bad consequences not only for people in the Middle East but for Americans at home as well. A government cannot take sides in so many deep-seated conflicts for as long as the U.S. government has without acquiring enemies and provoking retaliation.

It doesn't take much knowledge of history and human nature--not to mention the official 9/11 Commission report--to see this. It's about time it was said in such a prominent forum.

Of course, the reaction was stunningly absurd.

FOX News questioner Wendell Goler asked Paul a stunningly absurd and disingenuous follow-up question. FOX News questioner Wendell Goler said in follow-up, "Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attack, sir?"

Let's examine the question. To invite something is to desire the thing invited. Paul suggested no such thing. And who is "we"? Goler's question implies that Paul was saying the American people or "America" invited the attacks. But Paul was talking about American policymakers, not the American people. So the question was way off the mark and may have been an attempt to bait Paul.

He wouldn't take the bait. "I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it," he said. In other words, the people who masterminded the attack did not say they did it because we Americans are rich or free or non-Muslim. Their grievances relate to systematic U.S. intervention in the region: in particular, the presence of troops near holy sites in Saudi Arabia; a 10-year bombing campaign and killer embargo on Iraq (beginning in 1991), which cost hundreds of thousands of lives; and support for Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Rudolph Giuliani, also running for the nomination, responded demagogically, "That's an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of September 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq.... I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that."

"If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred," said Congressman Paul, "then we have a problem." Of course, Paul never said "we invited the attack." And he didn't back down under Giuliani's grandstanding: "I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about 'blowback.' When we went into Iran in 1953 and installed the shah, yes, there was blowback. A reaction to that was the taking of our hostages and that persists. And if we ignore that, we ignore that at our own risk. If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem."

In saying "blowback," Paul was using the CIA's term for the unintended bad consequences of a government operation. He specifically mentioned Iran in 1953, when the Eisenhower administration sent the CIA to help drive an elected secular prime minister from office and return the despotic shah to power. The result was the 1979 Islamic revolution, the seizure of the American embassy, complete with hostages, and close to 30 years of hostility, with war perhaps to come.

U.S. imperialist polices in the Middle East have been good for special interests and power-loving politicians, but bad for the American people. Someone in government has finally had the courage to say so.

Thank you, Ron Paul.

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Sheldon Richman is senior fellow at The Future of Freedom Foundation and editor of The Freeman magazine.


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Sheldon Richman is a Libertarian ally of Congressman Paul's, which I notice he doesn't mention in his op-ed piece. Their isolationist stance was fine in the age of sailing ships and telegraphy, it won't cut it today.
1 posted on 05/20/2007 6:35:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thank You, Ron Paul

Democrats, leftists, and terrorists everywhere deeply appreciate your contribution to the defeat of America.

2 posted on 05/20/2007 6:40:34 PM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I heard this on TV the other day:

“Ron Paul for President - Because Lyndon LaRouche isn’t running”


3 posted on 05/20/2007 6:44:38 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: The_Victor

No kidding! Whatever your feelings about libertarian domestic policy, their foreign policy is pathetic.


4 posted on 05/20/2007 6:44:38 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those of us who support President Bush’s war against terror really need to figure out what to do.

We are being sold out on the right and the left now.

The consequence is danger in the field and at home.


5 posted on 05/20/2007 6:45:17 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: The_Victor
At least we ought to be doing a better job of knowing what consequences our interventions are likely to have;not simply assuming that we are going to be seen as the good guys or seen as too big to mess with.If you get involved in an internal dispute,civil war,or domestic violence you need to be prepared in case some or all of the parties turn on you just because you are the outsider.

We probably get involved in too many affairs that really aren't our business;but when we do go in,we ought to be sure to mobilize enough resources to do it right.

6 posted on 05/20/2007 6:49:00 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack[ed] us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East," Paul said.

Uh...more like that our very prescence and dominance on the world scene offends and humiliates them (with some references to our failure to pay the Dhimmt owed them), and that they believe we are so decadent that we won't defend ourselves, and if we do, it won't last for long until we turn away. They are upset because we non-Muslims set foot on holy land that other Muslims asked us to, for their defense. The foreign policy that they most object to is our existence without subservience.

7 posted on 05/20/2007 6:49:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please explain why the “isolationist” policy was “fine” during the late eighteenth and early nineteenth century when the U.S. was encircled on all sides by major (usually hostile powers): Britain to the North, France to the West, and Spain to the South. One would think, if your theory is accurate, that isolationism would have been the worst policy under such circumstances. Actually, our policy of avoiding foreign policies and entangling alliances made sense now (when we were actully more threatened on our borders) just like it does now.


8 posted on 05/20/2007 6:50:14 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I meant to say avoiding “foreign bases”


9 posted on 05/20/2007 6:51:03 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
PAUL/MURTHA2008
10 posted on 05/20/2007 6:55:32 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it," he said. In other words, the people who masterminded the attack did not say they did it because we Americans are rich or free or non-Muslim. Their grievances relate to systematic U.S. intervention in the region: in particular, the presence of troops near holy sites in Saudi Arabia

Glad that's settled. Now, maybe we can figure out why Muslims rape women in Sweden. Oh, yeah, they say it's because the victims dress provocatively. Got it.

Oh, and why do the Mafia order hits on witnesses? Oh, yeah, they said it's because the witnesses testify against them.

Gee, with the Ron Paul method, we can get to the root of all of the world's problems. Just ask the perps what their reasons are!

11 posted on 05/20/2007 6:56:02 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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To: chesty_puller

Good one!


12 posted on 05/20/2007 6:56:50 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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To: Captain Kirk

You didn’t have air flight like you have today with jumbo jets that carry lots of people that can be flown into buildings causing mass casualties.


13 posted on 05/20/2007 6:58:00 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: jrooney

A strange argument. Where did these jumbo jets fly from? Hint: it wasn’t from the Middle East.


14 posted on 05/20/2007 6:59:15 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
At that time (post War of 1812)we had the protection of the British Navy, which hardly exists today. Also, we were pretty good at playing one against the other back then. We are just too powerful, have so many trade relations and energy sources all over the globe, and cannot afford to be isolationist in this day and age, no matter how tempting it might seem. Should we be the “world’s policeman” and get involved in places like Darfur, Haiti or Kosovo, where our national interests aren’t at stake? No, not in my opinion. But Iraq, Iran, North Korea or even Venezuela? Yes, we need to take care of trouble spots.
15 posted on 05/20/2007 7:00:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: Captain Kirk

We fought more damn wars than you could shake a stick at. We’ve never been isolationist for any length of time.


16 posted on 05/20/2007 7:11:30 PM PDT by pissant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ron Paul is not “isolationist”.


17 posted on 05/20/2007 7:13:09 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Rodney King

Ping.


18 posted on 05/20/2007 7:13:18 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Perdogg
“Ron Paul for President - Because Lyndon LaRouche a conservative isn’t running”

There, all fixed.

19 posted on 05/20/2007 7:14:18 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: The_Victor

Republicans need to ignore this Ron Paul nut and keep our focus and energy on someone who can actually win the White House in 2008.


20 posted on 05/20/2007 7:15:44 PM PDT by Martins kid
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