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Sheldon Richman is a Libertarian ally of Congressman Paul's, which I notice he doesn't mention in his op-ed piece. Their isolationist stance was fine in the age of sailing ships and telegraphy, it won't cut it today.
1 posted on 05/20/2007 6:35:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thank You, Ron Paul

Democrats, leftists, and terrorists everywhere deeply appreciate your contribution to the defeat of America.

2 posted on 05/20/2007 6:40:34 PM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I heard this on TV the other day:

“Ron Paul for President - Because Lyndon LaRouche isn’t running”


3 posted on 05/20/2007 6:44:38 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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Those of us who support President Bush’s war against terror really need to figure out what to do.

We are being sold out on the right and the left now.

The consequence is danger in the field and at home.


5 posted on 05/20/2007 6:45:17 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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"Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack[ed] us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East," Paul said.

Uh...more like that our very prescence and dominance on the world scene offends and humiliates them (with some references to our failure to pay the Dhimmt owed them), and that they believe we are so decadent that we won't defend ourselves, and if we do, it won't last for long until we turn away. They are upset because we non-Muslims set foot on holy land that other Muslims asked us to, for their defense. The foreign policy that they most object to is our existence without subservience.

7 posted on 05/20/2007 6:49:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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Please explain why the “isolationist” policy was “fine” during the late eighteenth and early nineteenth century when the U.S. was encircled on all sides by major (usually hostile powers): Britain to the North, France to the West, and Spain to the South. One would think, if your theory is accurate, that isolationism would have been the worst policy under such circumstances. Actually, our policy of avoiding foreign policies and entangling alliances made sense now (when we were actully more threatened on our borders) just like it does now.


8 posted on 05/20/2007 6:50:14 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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I meant to say avoiding “foreign bases”


9 posted on 05/20/2007 6:51:03 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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PAUL/MURTHA2008
10 posted on 05/20/2007 6:55:32 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it," he said. In other words, the people who masterminded the attack did not say they did it because we Americans are rich or free or non-Muslim. Their grievances relate to systematic U.S. intervention in the region: in particular, the presence of troops near holy sites in Saudi Arabia

Glad that's settled. Now, maybe we can figure out why Muslims rape women in Sweden. Oh, yeah, they say it's because the victims dress provocatively. Got it.

Oh, and why do the Mafia order hits on witnesses? Oh, yeah, they said it's because the witnesses testify against them.

Gee, with the Ron Paul method, we can get to the root of all of the world's problems. Just ask the perps what their reasons are!

11 posted on 05/20/2007 6:56:02 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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Ron Paul is not “isolationist”.


17 posted on 05/20/2007 7:13:09 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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The isolationist stance sure to hell didn't cut it in the 1930’s prior to Pearl Harbor and WWII - it only brought these on with the result of 400,000 U. S. servicemen killed in that war (60 million persons killed worldwide).

It brought that on, yes, through the impression that America was a weakling and wouldn't’t stand up for anything, notably Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

We have the same thing today with the libertarian/isolationists, a goodly number which seem permeated with antisemitism - and whose philosophy can be summed up in the words, “I", "me", and "my”.

Any move to defend America before terrorists overrun America is simply called American Imperialism by these folk who trot alongside the radical left.

25 posted on 05/20/2007 7:26:03 PM PDT by mtntop3
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Libertarians have won .00000000000000000000000000000000000001 of all the elections they have entered. We should listen to them why????


32 posted on 05/20/2007 7:38:38 PM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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Their isolationist stance was fine in the age of sailing ships and telegraphy, it won't cut it today.

An interesting theory. Please elaborate. I would think that isolationism is the easiest to pull off when you are by far the strongest nation in the world. 200 years ago, we weren't even close to the strongest nation on earth.

35 posted on 05/20/2007 7:43:55 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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Their isolationist stance was fine in the age of sailing ships and telegraphy, it won't cut it today.

Mr. Richman, can I buy some pot from you?

37 posted on 05/20/2007 7:46:02 PM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock (')
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The only thing Libertarians are good for is comic relief. Ron Paul is not even providing that.

I predict his constituents will call a halt to the proceedings after his most recent stunt.

He makes Lyndon LaRouche look sane and rational.

39 posted on 05/20/2007 7:50:13 PM PDT by WarEagle (Can America survive a president named Hussein?)
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They hate us and want to kill us because we aren't Muslim.

But more articles like this should convince people of what a kook Ron Paul is in case they don't know already.

40 posted on 05/20/2007 7:50:13 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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Let Ron Paul talk. I remember when George Bush said in a debate that he did not support “nation building.” Now he has undertaken just that, hollowing out Iran’s rival in the process and destabilizing the Middle East. The burden to rebuild a strong Iraq is now huge and indispensable, otherwise the only result of this will be a much stronger Iran.

I hope heads roll for getting the US in the middle of a ME war for weapons that didn’t exist, to ensure geopolitical stability that has yet to assert itself. I hope Ron Paul and folks like him take the time to sift this Iraq adventure and its predecessors for lessons on when the US should and should not adventure abroad.

I understand the wishes of Freepers to see the USA “finish the job,” and I know our nation will be twice as endangered as before if we leave the ME with our tail between our legs. However, there are plenty of lessons the be learned as to when and how to insert US force into international affairs.

45 posted on 05/20/2007 8:09:37 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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He’s a great 1890s kind of guy..... Not yet aware that Stone Age cultures may actually use nukes against us.


46 posted on 05/20/2007 8:15:14 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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I’ve been reading a biography of John Adams, and when he and Thomas Jefferson were representing our new country in Paris they had to deal with the Barbary pirates.
We ended up having to fight the Barbary pirates [ Muslim terrorists ]. They started attacking the US before we had much of a navy, before we even had a foreign policy. And the reasons were all the same sort of stuff you hear from the terrorists today with the exception of foreign policy as we didn’t have one yet.

They don’t have to have a reason, they can say it but that doesn’t make it the truth.

History repeats itself.

People are forgetting about France as well. After 9/11 they were very friendly toward the Muslim terrorists and their foreign policy was very accomodating, and they haven’t been bombing Iraq. Yet the Muslims are rioting in France and attacking them. These terrorists don’t have to have a reason.


49 posted on 05/20/2007 8:21:30 PM PDT by hoosierpearl (To God be the glory.)
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Please correct the title. On the source document, it is "Thank You, Ron Paul".
52 posted on 05/20/2007 8:43:49 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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Ron Paul also embraces the “truthers”. Anybody who believes these 9/11 conspiracy obscenities that are floating around the sinisterspere needs to be kick in the head repeatedly.


54 posted on 05/20/2007 9:38:31 PM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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