THE GOP DEBATE (the GAG candidate---Giuliani's certifiably liberal on guns abortion, and gays)

NY POST ^ | May 5, 2007 | EDITORIAL

[Liz]

Did Rudy make a boo-boo? That may be the only interesting question to emerge from the first Republican debate.... Rudy Giuliani's performance surely was a head-scratcher. On a topic he had to know was coming - abortion - Giuliani wandered all over the lot. This wasn't the confident, decisive, no-nonsense pol who tamed New York in the 1990s - Giuliani remains a certified liberal on three touchstone GOP issues: abortion, guns and gays. Thursday night, he couldn't bring himself to declare whether the Supreme Court had decided wrongly by mandating legal abortion in its 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. For GOP activists, the issue is much more than just the medical procedure: It's also about respect for life and the law, and about judicial activism. Unless Giuliani comes to terms with this, his stay among the GOP front-runners will likely be cut short.

[Liz]

For GOP activists, the issue is much more than just the medical procedure: It's also about respect for life and the law, and about judicial activism. Unless Giuliani comes to terms with this, his stay among the GOP front-runners will likely be cut short.

Rooty does not belong in the GOP; moreover, there's a question if he belongs in US politics at all.

Giuliani's appeal is strongest to those espousing not democracy, but the politics of Socialistic Darwinism----AKA survival of the fittest.

Socialistic Darwinism is the method wherein the strong devour the weak. For example, Socialistic Darwinism is the kind of class-conscious politics practiced in sinkholes like the Middle East.

Giuliani believes in confiscating the guns of law-abiding citizens (while viscious criminals gun-down unarmed Americans); Giuliani espouses the killing of the helpless unborn as a "convenience" to advance "women's rights."

Giuliani at the levers of the US government would mean the end of our freedoms, the destruction of our Nation, and the installation of Socialistic Darwinism.

[kittymyrib]

It’s instances such as this election cycle that make me happy that we do not have the brief campaign season of countries such as France. Over the long haul, we get to see what our candidates are really made of. With the advent of the internet, what they say to curry favor with a certain voting bloc at one event will be common knowledge all over the country the next morning. This helps expose double-talk and culls the herd of candidates.
No, much as the msm would like to have the ‘08 election be a “choice” between two NY liberals, that will not happen.

[nctexan]

The normally confident Giuliani looked dazed in the environment that he found himself on Thursday.

It's kinda like if I suddenly found myself on the stage of the Bolshoi Ballet... I guess the best that I could mumble would be, "Well at least I can type real well."

[ken5050]

Do you get the sense that the NY Post has changed its view on Guiliani’s candidacy?

[Liz]

The normally confident Giuliani looked dazed in the environment he found himself in........kinda like if I suddenly found myself on the stage of the Bolshoi Ballet... the best that I could mumble would be, "Well at least I can type real well."

ROTFLMBO---- Bolshoi Ballet----n-i-c-e analogy.

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Rooty learned that abortion is, and will always be, the issue that separates the men from the boys.

The more likely scenario is that Rooty went into the debate with Plan A----to show he was The Man With the Plan to ditch those pesky social conservatives off the Repub party lifeboat, to transform the party into a pro-abortion stronghold. Rooty looked awkward on the all-important abortion issue b/c he was trying to figure out how he was going to get himself out of the fix he was in.

Moderator Chris Matthews was relentless, forcing the candidates to step up to the pro-life plate, over and over. No matter that Chrissy was probably rubbing it in, emphasizing Repubs as the pro-life party.

As each candidate forcefully stated his pro-life position, Rooty knew he was a goner. Plan A was not going to work. An astute observer could almost see his brain short-circuiting, thinking "now wadda I do."

Happily for the unborn, Right to Life was front and center, the Big Winner at the first Repub debate----the key issue from which Repub candidates could not escape. Republicans ARE the pro-life party---and that's the way it's going to stay.

"Got that, Rooty? "

[Liz]

I suspect that Rooty's most ardent supporters turned away in disgust at his sorry debate performance.

He had a mission---he led his handlers to believe he had the right stuff to takeover the Repub party, to dump all those pesky social conservatives off the party's lifeboat.

Rooty failed to deliver on that commitment Thursday.

[TommyDale]

Have you got a picture of Rudy in his tutu?

[Seruzawa]

Giuliani at the levers of the US government would mean the end of our freedoms, the destruction of our Nation, and the installation of Socialistic Darwinism.

I'm, no Rudybot, but please..........

[Waco]

It’s a sad day when the politico’s biggest fear is pissing off the queers, aborts, or the enemy.

[captjanaway]

I didn’t watch the original debate, but watched Glenn Beck last night as he showed some clips, etc.
I didn’t get much from the answers because I was still reeling from the STUPID questions that were asked.
Really, do you think they’d ask a Dem “What do you dislike most about America?”

[Beagle8U]

“Moderator Chris Matthews was relentless, forcing the candidates to step up to the pro-life plate, over and over. No matter that Chrissy was probably rubbing it in, emphasizing Repubs as the pro-life party”

That was the only good that came of having Chrissy moderate the debate.

He caught Rooty in an out right lie on abortion funding and made him admit that he was for Gov funding of abortion.

He had to flip flop right on the stage.

Had Matthews not caught it, Rooty would have gotten away with his lie and only the political Wonks would know it was a lie.

[Condor51]

**** Rooty does not belong in the GOP; moreover, there's a question if he belongs in US politics at all .... Giuliani at the levers of the US government would mean the end of our freedoms, the destruction of our Nation, and the installation of Socialistic Darwinism. *****

Once again Liz, BINGO!

There's that old saying about one being 'Born In The Wrong Century'. That fits Rooty to a tee.

He'd fit right in in Europe of the 20's and 30's. There's little difference between his style of 'ruling' and that of Il Duce. Benito made the trains run on time, Rooty got rid of the 'dreaded' squeegee men.

(both tasks seemed impossible in their times) /s

[StatenIsland]

“I suspect that Rooty’s most ardent supporters turned away in disgust at his sorry debate performance.”

Well, that would be wrong. I am anti-abortion, and I still support Rudy, because to me, the abortion issue is something we can deal with later on. The ‘08 election, and it’s monumental importance, HAS to be dealt with now.

What has an ardent pro-lifer like President Bush done about Roe v. Wade? He did the only thing he could do - appoint strict constructionists, as would Rudy. A President can’t wave his wand and change the law.

Sorry, to me the defining priority has to be defeating Hillary. I know where most of you stand, rightfully on your principles - so maybe I am less principled than you. So be it.

But to elect a Dem President in ‘08 would be a rejection of everything our country has done since 9/11/01. It would send a message to the world that America is finished.

And IMHO opinion nobody but Rudy can beat Hillary. The closest would be Fred, and he doesn’t have the intellectual chops or the national standing to beat her. Obama, maybe, but not Hillary.

And defeating Hillary is job one.

BTW, can I assume that areafiftyone has been silenced?

Very Orwellian. Worthy of the Left. Yea, I know, I know, founded by Conservatives to espouse the Conservative viewpoint. That’s fine, but doesn’t it make you feel a little....cowardly? If, I mean, she has been banned, which I don’t know for sure.

And BTW, expect nothing less from Chris Matthews and the rest of the liberal MSM - they want Rudy defeated in the primaries. Guess why?

[Condor51]

**** I'm, no Rudybot, but please.......... ****

Are you aware of how Rooty 'ruled' NYC? (and I mean RULED)

Not just the phony 9-11 hyped 'heroism', but his eight year reign of ignoring the Rule of Law and the Constitution.

The sob was a little dictator. Confiscation of private property from innocent people was one trick. 'Regulating' firearms from law abiding US Citizens another (a FReeper met that fate).

And he recently said 'if it was good enough for NYC, it's good enough for the USA'. Well fluck him!

[goldstategop]

Rudy Guiliani is an honest liberal. He doesn't hide who he is and what he believes in. I respect him for his honesty but his values are not the values of the Republican Party mainstream.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Seruzawa]

I wasn’t aware that any president could just turn the USA into a totalitarian dictatorship at whim. Thank you for enlightening me. Does he take his orders from the CFR too? Or is he a Mason?

[ken5050]

As I wrote here some time ago, whether one is receptive to the possibility of Rudy as the candidate, as I am, or vehemently opposed, as you are, I feel that his presence in the campaign will end up strenghtening the core conservative principals of the party.

[aumrl]

“Moderator Chris Matthews was relentless, forcing the candidates to step up to the pro-life plate, over and over”
AND WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE HE DID THAT?

[George W. Bush]

Moderator Chris Matthews was relentless, forcing the candidates to step up to the pro-life plate, over and over. No matter that Chrissy was probably rubbing it in, emphasizing Repubs as the pro-life party.

Not exactly my take on it. Matthews is only relentless if he has an agenda on a question (those questions about Rove) or if he thinks someone is dodging him. Trying to dodge Chrissy is the worst thing his victims can do, kind of like running from a hostile dog will bring on the attack. Everyone knows this about him. And for a political reporter, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

In the first abortion question, Rudi was trying to flipflop. Chrissy almost let it go (he was nervous too) but it bugged him and he came back to it. Rudi tried to slip past again. Chrissy pretty much had to return to it or else he let the Republicans get by without answering a direct major policy question. So he had to get more pointed. Finally, the Rudester admitted his real pro-abortion position. Chrissy mentioned later that Rudi did himself damage by refusing to make a straight answer to a question we all knew the answer to. The waffling around was the most damaging and drew even more attention to it, making the leftwing mayor look like an amateur.

It was clear to me that PMSNBC management had given very specific orders to Matthews and Obertroll. Obertroll in particular restrained his normal merchant-of-hate routine. And Chrissy, with only a few exceptions, stayed within his rapid-fire format and didn't do much of his usual lib-agenda gotcha tricks. I think PMSNBC was afraid Matthews/Obertroll would embarass them and ruin their chances to host future debates. Brian Williams with Dims was so much better that management was probably on eggshells, putting Chrissy/Obertroll in charge of this thing.

Had Giuliani simply stated his pro-choice position briefly on the first question, that probably would have been the end of it. It was quite strange to see someone who has so much media experience and a consultant crew like his make such a mistake. Bizarre, in fact.

As each candidate forcefully stated his pro-life position, Rooty knew he was a goner. Plan A was not going to work. An astute observer could almost see his brain short-circuiting, thinking "now wadda I do."

You have to wonder why he pays those consultants if not to write and rehearse him on this stuff. Being the only pro-choicer in the GOP field guarantees the issue will come up over and over.

Methinks that Rudi is maybe starting to sense the level of hostility to his pro-infanticide policies and his history as a NARAL Champion Of Choice™ and the only elected Brady Bunch Republican.

It may be that he's realized that he simply can never win, that the race will be ugly and mean-spirited all the way through. That a Republican like him is actually more frightening to voters in many Red states than the Wife Of Clinton herself.

He has to know the conservative blogosphere hates his guts. The conservative religious groups hate his guts. The gun folk, well, "lock and load" will do for a description. And plenty of people just dislike New Yorkers and anything about New York City. Intensely.

If there is a crowd anywhere in America that would listen to his abortion position and anti-gun rhetoric, it was assembled there in the Reagan Library. Instead, Rudi behaved like an amateur and a goof. Then he and his third Missus fled the scene as quickly as possible.

[gpapa]

Yes, areafiftyone has been banned, and she is now residing at TOS. What President Bush did regarding abortion is overturn all of the executive orders about abortion Clinton issued while he was president, and he consistently has promoted a culture of life throughout his presidency. I would expect the next President to do no less.