In the beginning (Evolution and religion)

www.economist.com ^ | Apr 19th 2007

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Good morning! Yes, both have same agenda - keep the Good News ‘quiet’ any way they can. :)

[js1138]

If we descended from Europeans, Africans and Asians, why are there still Europeans, Africans and Asians? You may wonder about such things, but there are more profitable things to wonder about. You may think common descent is a cop out, but it is supported by the same kind of DNA analysis that determines parentage in courts of law.

As for “how do they know how to acquire differences,” they don’t “know.” Nearly every individual has a few spontaneous copy errors in his genetic code. Most have no visible effect. Once in a while a difference adds or subtracts from an individual’s chances of reproducing.

Your opinion on whether skulls are human or primates is of little importance if you do not understand that humans are primates, and the skulls you question can be arranged in a sequence so that even creationists differ as to which are human and which are not.

Science cannot explain how life got started. True.

But you still haven’t explained what it means to be left behind by evolution’s train. Are you suggesting that monkeys haven’t changed since their lineage branched from their common ancestor with humans?

You realize, of course, that even critics of evolution like Behe (of Dover trial fame) accept common descent? If, by some chance, schools taught intelligent design, it would make things worse for young earth creationists, because it would become clear that even the critics of evolution accept the fact that it happens, and accept common descent.

[tgambill]

Your arguments are weak at best. Common descent is present only because we have the same creator who “spoke” the creations into existance. Let’s go back to the explaining the start of life. This is important in that it seems the convoluted theory of Evolution wants to skip that and has effectively hijacked Gods creation to fit it’s own purposes for deception.

What you folks, don’t realize is that your hearts and minds are blinded by following a false God, an evil entity, and an agenda that will lose in the near term. Your very soul is at stake, this is no game nor is it a discussion on philosophy. If you were playing sports it would be like betting on a Pee Wee team that might have won some of their games with other Pee Wee teams, but the championship game will be against a Champion team from the NFL, and you are betting on the Pee Wee team because of their record in the Pee Wee league.....lolol...:) Seriously, I know that I shouldn’t make lite of your souls journey, but; you better take a second look at where your priorities lie. This goes for most that have rejected Jesus. We all have been on that journey. A prideful soul is one that will be blinded.....a soul that is humble and obedient will gain knowledge from discernment and blessings from God.

In any case, we shall then discuss and banter back and forth about Evolution....until one or both gets tired of it or just come to the “agree to disagree” mode. One thing to ponder, fooling folks into thinking that you are using Gods’ word to obsucate, will bring a lot of attention from the Spirit called God, for using his Holy Word to suit your purposes and with the intention to deceive. Better strap in for a rocky ride.

[tgambill]

“If we descended from Europeans, Africans and Asians, why are there still Europeans, Africans and Asians? but there are more profitable things to wonder about.”

*** Naw....I think this is a good point to discuss. You don’t call the shots or change the rules of the game just because they didn’t teach you how to refute these issue in “Ewo School 101”.

To save time, lets throw the cards on the table and get it over with....:))

http://www.y-origins.com/?gclid=CKeBlr-j8osCFQkjWAodXHahUg

Then we have.......

Magazine Content
July 2002 issue
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don’t hold up
By John Rennie

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&pageNumber=1&catID=2

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15 ways to refute materialistic bigotry:
A point by point response to Scientific American

by Jonathan Sarfati

Response to ‘15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense’ by John Rennie (Editor), Scientific American. 287(1):78–85, July 2002; Feature article on Scientific American Web site, 17 June 2002.

20 June 2002

http://www.answersingenesis.org/news/scientific_american.asp

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&pageNumber=1&catID=2

Same..but different site....

http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/2610

and the Finches come to save the day and deal the Death blow to creationism and a God that is King of the Universe. These here are some powerful Finches.....:))

http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v9/i1/finch.asp

Then we have this interesting site...

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-hugh-ross.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Ross_(creationist)

http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/hugh_ross_letter_critique.html

http://www.reasons.org/about/staff/ross.shtml

RECOMMEND this Video....interesting stuff....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1680357583183645446

In order to be fair. This gives both the Pro-Evolutionist a fair shake and at the same time arms the Pro-Creationist a look at all the arguments to be prepared. Good idea you think? So, let the readers decide.

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“Science cannot explain how life got started. True.

But you still haven’t explained what it means to be left behind by evolution’s train. Are you suggesting that monkeys haven’t changed since their lineage branched from their common ancestor with humans?”

*******lolol...good dodge, Evolution 102 course.

I figure this post will fuel some discussion....ya tink...

[tgambill]

uh oh...I think, I may have went overboard here. :) You know, the old Sledgehammer to a fly.

I pinged you on this one.....It should keep folks busy. :))

Let me know what you think?

[js1138]

What you folks, don’t realize is that your hearts and minds are blinded by following a false God, an evil entity, and an agenda that will lose in the near term. Your very soul is at stake, this is no game nor is it a discussion on philosophy.

This seems to be your strongest argument.

[tgambill]

Wow, you finally get it. This is the strongest argument. However, if you are still not getting it, and you didn’t read the information I sent you.....it’s a waste of time fooling with a rookie disinformation troll.

Just for fun, check out which one are you? :)) or, you must be a speed reader, ignorning tons of research from both sides...however, you come back with this post. lolol.. You give yourself away....

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda_techniques

[js1138]

you must be a speed reader, ignoring tons of research from both sides...

Funny you should mention research. No one at the Discovery Institute ever claims that any actual research is being done, or even what it would mean to conduct research into intelligent design.

To do so you would have to hypothesize some characteristics of the designer and his methods, limitations, motives, and so forth.

It's true, I haven't read every word on the subject. I also haven't read the Communist Manifesto or the collected speeches of Fidel Castro.

I take my clues from how ID proponents behaves when they have the opportunity to make a public splash, as at the Dover trial. Having worked for years to get intelligent design into court, the proponents were unable to muster any arguments or produce any research results at all. A shame.

I also take my clues from how people like you behave when I ask for simple examples of things they have claimed, such as a list of things that have missed evolution's train, or even a definition of what you mean by the phrase.

[js1138]

Wow, you finally get it. This is the strongest argument.

If you wish to argue biology from a religious perspective, I'll have to bail out. If you wish to do a victory dance, please take the opportunity. I only dropped in to ask a question.

[tgambill]

“I also take my clues from how people like you behave when I ask for simple examples of things they have claimed, such as a list of things that have missed evolution’s train, or even a definition of what you mean by the phrase.”

*** I see that you made it to Evol 103 now....look for any holes in the logic, if none are found, make some whether they exist or not. Always stay on the offensive, never answer questions direct or allow the other side to maintain any momentum, and if they do, revert back to any simple question to divert. lolol..:) Repeat and replay words back offering vague responses and then go back on the offensive.

I see that you are now on the method of reflecting back to behavior which most always results in the opponent responding with justifications and defending themselves thus creating another diversion. You take you clues not from how ID folks behave, but how they respond to give you some idea of how to sell your snake oil.

You state that ID folks were not able to produce research results. Well, personal and primary eyewitness testimony beats scientific and statistical research any day. Science hasn’t really gotten it right yet. As a matter of Fact, Dr. Hugh Ross explains the “science” that God designed in the first place in how the world works.

When one misses a train...since you aren’t aware of the situation....they don’t get a seat, they are literally left behind as the trains pulls out. So, the same analogy could be used when you missed the school bus and were late for classes, made yor mama angry, made the teacher angry, because you knew when the bus left but you lagged behind anyway....:)) Funny thing you mention that....being “left Behind”.....will be a sad day for you then for sure. In any case, for your reading pleasure or displeasure whichever....

http://www.evolution-facts.org/Downloads/Evolution%20CruncherP.pdf

[tgambill]

No victory dances...Arguing about biology from a religious perspective....is the entire argument. God created Heaven and Earth and all life. I’d say that that sums up the link between Biology and “religion”; per se.

[tgambill]

ping for the thread

[js1138]

I think when you bring the status of people’s souls into a debate over the adequacy of a scientific theory, you pretty much end the discussion.

I was, from my first post, merely curious about what things had been skipped over by evolution. I haven’t seen an answer, nor have I seen any discussion of what that would mean or how it could happen.

[tgambill]

Point taken and fair.........stand by

[sagar]

“Do you buy Insurance?? That means you’re superstitious? Christ is the cheapest insurance going.”

It seems like you’re not a believer, but a consumer of a cheap insurance. Does your insurance receipt has a substance, or is it just in your head?

[gbs]

Does your insurance receipt has a substance, (you wrote)

Did you mean ‘have substance’? Otherwise, what you wrote has no substance. As to consuming, I’m not, I’m recieving. And the day will come when we both know the true value of what you call cheap insurance! That’s my reciept,
My reference to “cheapest insurance” in no way belittled what is the most valuable insurance, that is at the same time the easiest insurance in this world to get. Christ takes anyone, does mortal mans insurance cover the dying, the sick, I think not.

[js1138]

Point taken and fair.........stand by

I'm still waiting...

[js1138]

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