Posted on 04/13/2007 3:39:40 PM PDT by dkwheel
FLORENCE, S.C. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday questioned the way some rappers talk about women in songs, saying the lyrics are similar to the derogatory language used by embattled radio host Don Imus.
They are "degrading their sisters. That doesn't inspire me," Obama said of some hip-hop artists when a man in a crowd of about 1,000 questioned him. The Illinois senator was responding to a question of what inspired him, and said God and civil rights activists.
Earlier this week, Obama criticized Imus, who was fired Thursday for labeling the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos."
"I do think we've seen a coarsening of the culture," Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press after the town hall meeting. As a constitutional lawyer, Obama said he was a free speech advocate.
"But just because you can say something doesn't mean you should say something," he said. "And I think that we have not talked enough about the harmful images and messages that are sent."
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“I’ve talked to some (in the extended family that I have) and urged them to quit listening to it and how bad it is and how degrading it is. I get a ‘I know, but it’s a cool song!’”
Well, then, I think a little shock treatment might be appropriate. Sit them down and explain to them EXACTLY what being a ‘ho’ means - all the consequences included.
“Ho” is a slang term; slang is a mutable thing, never having any more meaning than the user wants to give it. But there are thousands of years of terrible, awful history behind the word “whore.”
Nappy canoe and Britney too!
How many parents have any idea what the lyrics mean that their kids are spouting?
And the disk jockeys up the road who play the crap say the same things on the air. Been going on for a long time, who cares? Imus is toast, “rapping while being white”.
You said — “Well, then, I think a little shock treatment might be appropriate. Sit them down and explain to them EXACTLY what being a ‘ho’ means - all the consequences included.”
If it were my kid, I would be a bit more emphatic. I’ve talked to the parents, too about it (actually this one goes back a few years, about five...). And the parents were like, “Yeah, we know it’s not good....” and then it trails off, and goes nowhere.
Since the kid is not mine (but I’m a relative, anyway), I can only go so far and can only do a limited and certain amount of “shock treatment”. The fact of the matter is that it does no good (both for the parents and the kid).
I’m just trying to tell everyone, that no matter what the nice, upstanding and wholesome values that everyone would like to maintain, and some do — the kids are *off somewhere else* and don’t maintain those same values — and — they are really never going to let the parents know or tell them. They’re smart enough to know that they would get into trouble — but that doesn’t mean that “getting into trouble” translates into “right” versus “wrong”. Nope, it just means, “I have to make sure they don’t find out.”
And that’s the big problem, you see...
It’s what I have tried to describe as the shift (in today’s society) to “post-modernism” and that you make your own truth. This is what our society is teaching, all the teachers in school are teaching and all the peer of these 13-18 year olds are learning with one another.
It is the wholesale abandonment of all the values of the previous generation. And that previous generation didn’t have very much ground to stand on either — having already given up the idea of “absolute truth” and “absolute morals”. So, the kids today recognize that the previous generation has *nothing to offer* in the way of any legitimate *basis* for their morals or telling the kids how to live their lives.
Thus, that’s how we got here. It’s the abadonment of God in the public discourse and the abadonment of the *absolutes* that can *only* come from God and not from any other source. Any other source is merely “your opinion” versus “my opinion” and nothing more. Therefore “my opinion” on “my morals” and what I choose is valid *for me* — while yours may be valid for you.
The kids have already chosen their values and their not the values that their parents want for them..., that’s for sure...
Regards,
Star Traveler
http://www.azlyrics.com/o/outkast.html
NAACP Image awards for 2004...take a look at recording awards winner for outstanding group or duo....took me 1 minute to google up.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921202.html
You said — “How many parents have any idea what the lyrics mean that their kids are spouting?”
The parents simply don’t. And that’s why the kids like it. It allows them to “talk in code” and that they do. Now, not all of it is indecipherable. You can make out some of it.
But, in talking to some of my younger relatives and some of their friends, and doing this mainly online (via IM), I’ve really gotten an education on what goes on. I never criticized openly or castigated anyone, and so mostly listened and asked questions. When a lot of them saw that I wasn’t going to be like their parents (in how I was talking to them), they started telling me a lot of stuff that was going on.
Believe me, parents just don’t know...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You quoted this — “baby the only thing open after 3 clock is legs and fast food”
And that was from his gramma? Well, let me tell you — there’s something wrong with the black culture, really wrong. And there has been for a long time. It’s sinking and dying. And this stuff is just the outward symptom of it. It’s bad, bad, and more bad...
On top of that, it’s seeped over into the white culture and all or little white girls, barely in their teens, along with the boys are picking up on it and doing it to each other — as if that kind of “black culture” is something fantastic to emulate.
Then you add to that, the enormous illegal alien problem, with no desire to assimilate into the American culture or even its language (sorry to bring illegal aliens into this thread, but it’s relevant to what I’m saying) — and having the *gangs* from south of the border set up “business” here in this country — it just seems that our American culture (of what it once was 50 or 100 years ago) is being torn apart at the seams and being *ripped to shreds* (and believe me, the Democrats are doing nothing to stop it either, along with a lot of the Republicans).
It’s going to happen — pretty soon now — that it’s like what one of the Grahams said (either Billy Graham or maybe his wife, can’t remember). They said that if God doesn’t judge America, then He’s going to owe an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah.
I believe that’s true.
Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Tell BO to put his money where his mouth is.
You said — “Anybody remember when Bob Ford’s song Strokin’ was considered vulgar.”
Wouldn’t that be considered church music today? Boy..., doesn’t that tell you how far we’ve come along...
Regards,
Star Traveler
It was just reported on Hannity and Colmes that Hillary recieved a big donation from Rappers?
Whats up with that?
You said — “Whats up with that?”
She must be one of those nappy headed hoes that Ludicris is rapping about on his CDs...
Regards,
Star Traveler
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