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Top global warming scientist wants halt on new coal power plants, wants to bulldoze old ones
ap on San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 2/26/07 | Seth Borenstein - ap

Posted on 02/26/2007 12:37:32 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: hadaclueonce

If bulldozers aren't "eco-friendly" enough, we can always hire some tree-spiking, SUV-bombing, dirt worshippers to come up with an environmentally sound way to reduce the buildings to rubble.


81 posted on 02/26/2007 3:00:51 PM PST by Quick or Dead
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To: Laserman

Could be... I don't know the inner workings of the Church of Climatology.


82 posted on 02/26/2007 3:46:19 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Redcloak

Would it be possible to find out these 10 scientist's monthly KWH usage? Then compare that to other homes in the neighborhood. As Jesus said : Lawyers, Liars, Pharisees, Hypocrites; you load burdens on OTHER men's backs but won't lift a finger to help.

There is of course nature's way of storing excess CO2 : limestone : CaO + CO2 = CaCO3. Thus bubble up hot, tiny bubbles of CO2 exhaust gas thru CaO(limewater)and you get ROCK. In Yellowstone Park that process has been going on for millenia, has any of these self styled geniuses ever noticed that? Or are THEY just full of hot air bubbles exuding from their own orifices?


83 posted on 02/26/2007 4:04:51 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: secretagent

Guess he's not (quite) as crazy as I thought.


84 posted on 02/26/2007 8:16:15 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: xcamel

Ping


85 posted on 02/26/2007 9:09:06 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: NormsRevenge
Burning coal is one of the major sources of carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas causing global warming.

No, CO2 is not the chief greenhouse gas and it doesn't cause global warming. The chief greenhouse gas is water vapor. Global warming results in increased atmospheric CO2, it isn't caused by it. Was it Hansen who promoted the fraudulent hockey stick and who received a huge grant from the Heinz Foundation that was followed shortly thereafter by his endorsement of John Friggin Kerry?
86 posted on 02/26/2007 9:27:41 PM PST by aruanan
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To: brownsfan


You ever notice how the people "who care about the little guy" always seem to step on them in the name of political agendas?


87 posted on 02/26/2007 10:25:43 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: aruanan
No, CO2 is not the chief greenhouse gas and it doesn't cause global warming.

Not the chief greenhouse gas, but the one responsible for the spike in global warming, according to the Team.

No skeptic I've heard of before denies that CO2 acts as a GG. Source?

88 posted on 02/26/2007 10:33:56 PM PST by secretagent
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To: NormsRevenge; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


Click pn POGW graphic for full GW rundown

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



89 posted on 02/27/2007 2:45:08 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: secretagent
Not the chief greenhouse gas, but the one responsible for the spike in global warming, according to the Team.

No skeptic I've heard of before denies that CO2 acts as a GG. Source?


This is the dogma and has always been controversial, not that this has been reflected in the popular press. The chief greenhouse gas is water vapor. If all greenhouse gases from all sources were represented graphically as a mile in height, human contribution is equal to about 3/8 inch. Further study has demonstrated that CO2 increase is a result of previous warming, not its cause.

See Ice Core Studies Prove CO2 Is Not the Powerful Climate Driver Climate Alarmists Make It Out to Be and other linked articles at the same site.

Petit et al. (1999) reconstructed histories of surface air temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration from data obtained from a Vostok ice core that covered the prior 420,000 years, determining that during glacial inception "the CO2 decrease lags the temperature decrease by several thousand years" and that "the same sequence of climate forcing operated during each termination."  Likewise, working with sections of ice core records from around the times of the last three glacial terminations, Fischer et al. (1999) found that "the time lag of the rise in CO2 concentrations with respect to temperature change is on the order of 400 to 1000 years during all three glacial-interglacial transitions."

On the basis of atmospheric CO2 data obtained from the Antarctic Taylor Dome ice core and temperature data obtained from the Vostok ice core, Indermuhle et al. (2000) studied the relationship between these two parameters over the period 60,000-20,000 years BP (Before Present).  One statistical test performed on the data suggested that shifts in the air's CO2 content lagged shifts in air temperature by approximately 900 years, while a second statistical test yielded a mean lag-time of 1200 years.  Similarly, in a study of air temperature and CO2 data obtained from Dome Concordia, Antarctica for the period 22,000-9,000 BP -- which time interval includes the most recent glacial-to-interglacial transition -- Monnin et al. (2001) found that the start of the CO2 increase lagged the start of the temperature increase by 800 years.  Then, in another study of the 420,000-year Vostok ice-core record, Mudelsee (2001) concluded that variations in atmospheric CO2 concentration lagged variations in air temperature by 1,300 to 5,000 years.

In a somewhat different type of study, Yokoyama et al. (2000) analyzed sediment facies in the tectonically stable Bonaparte Gulf of Australia to determine the timing of the initial melting phase of the last great ice age.  In commenting on the results of that study, Clark and Mix (2000) note that the rapid rise in sea level caused by the melting of land-based ice that began approximately 19,000 years ago preceded the post-glacial rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration by about 3,000 years.

So what's the latest on the issue?  To our knowledge, the most recent study to broach the subject is that of Caillon et al. (2003), who measured the isotopic composition of argon -- specifically, ð40Ar, which they argue "can be taken as a climate proxy, thus providing constraints about the timing of CO2 and climate change" -- in air bubbles in the Vostok ice core over the period that comprises what is called Glacial Termination III, which occurred about 240,000 years BP. The results of their tedious but meticulous analysis led them to ultimately conclude that "the CO2 increase lagged Antarctic deglacial warming by 800 ± 200 years." (emphasis added)

90 posted on 02/27/2007 4:53:36 AM PST by aruanan
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To: vikzilla
He he. A gigantic scam based on the average persons ignorance of how an electrical circuit functions.

Those of us in the industry just smile when we hear the phrase "Green Energy"

91 posted on 02/27/2007 6:36:24 AM PST by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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To: Tzimisce

"You ever notice how the people "who care about the little guy" always seem to step on them in the name of political agendas? "

Yes. I've come to the conclusion that no one cares about the little guy. In general, the Republicans will do less harm to the little guy.


92 posted on 02/27/2007 7:23:20 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Redcloak

How many coal plants is he asking China to not build?

We're pikers compared to China if we're building less than 200 of these beasties. I believe they've got plans to build more than 8,000!


93 posted on 02/27/2007 10:47:54 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

I looked for a reference for that "8,000" and couldn't find that, but I believe I've read it. Here, though, is from
http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=274&Itemid=34

"Across the country, 500 new coal-burning power stations were under construction in 2005 and planners now assume that over the next 30 years half the world’s new power capacity will be built in China. "

There are many references stating that they are bringing LARGE coal plants online at the clip of about one per week.


94 posted on 02/27/2007 11:05:17 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: NormsRevenge

I guessed it was Hansen just by reading the title.
You don't need a program for these players.


95 posted on 02/27/2007 6:58:36 PM PST by Mr. Peabody
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