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Archaeologists To Return To Allendale Site In May (Topper - 50,000 YO)
Island Packet ^ | 2-17-2007 | Peter Frost

Posted on 02/17/2007 10:59:54 AM PST by blam

Archaeologists to return to Allendale site in May

By PETER FROST
pfrost@islandpacket.com
843-706-8169
Published Saturday, February 17, 2007

It was on the banks of the Savannah River in Allendale County where Al Goodyear in 2004 found the clues of an ancient civilization that could rewrite the history books.

The University of South Carolina archaeologist and a group of volunteers unearthed artifacts estimated to be 50,000 years old, implying humans lived on this continent before the last Ice Age, far earlier than previously believed.

They uncovered what appeared to be cutting tools and stone chisels used by humans that existed an estimated 37,000 years before the earliest-known inhabitants, known as the Clovis culture. It was a discovery that rocked the archaeological community and generated international media attention.

To date, it's the oldest radiocarbon-dated site in North America, Goodyear said.

"The entire Western Hemisphere is coming under closer scrutiny," Goodyear said. "Everything that I was taught as a student is breaking down rapidly."

For decades, the Clovis culture has been recognized as the oldest in the New World. Goodyear discovered evidence of the Clovis at what's called the "Topper site" more than 20 years ago, when he and a researcher found a fluted spear point, the signature tool of the culture.

Then, in 1998, Goodyear decided to dig deeper. He and a rotating group of scientists and volunteers uncovered evidence of a pre-Clovis culture well below the level at which the Clovis artifacts were found.

In 2004, they uncovered artifacts about 12 feet underground -- about seven feet below the Clovis finds.

Goodyear and his group will be back in May for five weeks, offering volunteers the opportunity to work alongside archaeologists and researchers in their quest to debunk the long-held theory that man arrived in North America around 13,000 years ago.

Hilton Head Island resident Jean Guilleux, 64, has assisted Goodyear and his crews for the past five years and plans to volunteer for the May dig.

"After I retired, I became fascinated with archaeology and decided to go and get my hands dirty," he said. "After the first dig, I was hooked."

Guilleux, who is also the president of the Hilton Head chapter of the Archaeological Association of South Carolina, said he's "done it all" at the digs. He's specialized on the pre-Clovis digs for the last three years, digging soil, sifting for artifacts and watching scientists test their finds in the lab.

"It's absolutely fantastic," he said.


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KEYWORDS: allendale; archaeologists; godsgravesglyphs; site; southcarolina; topper
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More Suprises coming?
1 posted on 02/17/2007 10:59:59 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Coyoteman

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 02/17/2007 11:00:26 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Uh oh, this could really screw up the whole native american sovereignty thing if they weren't the first ones here.... Maybe we are going to have to turn over South Carolina to Guatemala or Peru (I think North Carolina has already gone to Mexico).


3 posted on 02/17/2007 11:05:33 AM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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To: bpjam

So, Kennewick Man was just a johnny-come-lately? Or maybe a tourist?


4 posted on 02/17/2007 11:15:13 AM PST by Clioman
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To: blam

Quite probably. The last ice age would have wiped out much evidence (if there was any) of any hypothetical predecessor civilizations.


5 posted on 02/17/2007 11:21:34 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bpjam

I doubt it. These pre-Clovis sites have been of the solutrean type of objects that originate from European areas. There has already been some pretty solid genetic evidence that links eastern tribes to genetic markers found only in Europeans. So yes, it may foul the treasured myths that indians were the first on this continent; it may show that ice-age and pre-ice-age Europeans got here first. So 1492 may have been the beginning of the European "Reconquista" of the North American continent.


6 posted on 02/17/2007 11:22:17 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: bpjam
"Uh oh, this could really screw up the whole native american sovereignty thing if they weren't the first ones here.... Maybe we are going to have to turn over South Carolina to Guatemala or Peru (I think North Carolina has already gone to Mexico)."

Well how about Arkansas? I live about 70 miles north of the Arkansas border. Maybe we can turn it over to a bunch of inbreeding rednecks who...oh...
...never mind.

7 posted on 02/17/2007 11:30:24 AM PST by Artemis Webb (Muhammad was a pervert, a liar and a baby raper.)
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To: Artemis Webb

When Arkansas rednecks inbreed, they send the worst, most brain-damaged progeny 70 miles north of the border.


8 posted on 02/17/2007 11:37:38 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: Spktyr
The last ice age would have wiped out much evidence (if there was any) of any hypothetical predecessor civilizations.

Well, only in what is now Canada and the northern US. The evidence should still be present in the south, right?

9 posted on 02/17/2007 11:41:42 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

Theoretically, but if those areas weren't settled at the time the glaciers came marching down from the north, the oldest of the settlements we'd find (assuming the mud hasn't swallowed them, New-Madrid-like quakes haven't levelled them, or the jungles haven't destroyed/vanished them) would date from (surprise) just after the ice age reached its peak.


10 posted on 02/17/2007 11:44:57 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RJS1950
There has already been some pretty solid genetic evidence that links eastern tribes to genetic markers found only in Europeans.

It looks like a single group (haplogroup X) in Eurasia split, with one part going west and into Europe, with the other going east, across the Bering land bridge and into the US in the area of the Great Lakes.

The following website has some of the details:

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

11 posted on 02/17/2007 11:54:07 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: RJS1950
"There has already been some pretty solid genetic evidence that links eastern tribes to genetic markers found only in Europeans."

Click here, go to the bottom and click on 'Genetic Markers', look on the right and click on haplogroup X. Read it.

12 posted on 02/17/2007 11:56:46 AM PST by blam
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To: Artemis Webb
Hey now!! If not for Arkansas, who would the Kansans and Missourians look down on? (Thank God for Lousiana or Arkies would be the bottom of cultural food change)

I've spent lots of time working in Arkansas and I have appreciation for those areas which are very nice so realize this is all tongue-in-cheek. Please no flames for Arkie bashing. I'd still rather live in Arkansas than New York City or San Francisco (or Los Angeles again)

13 posted on 02/17/2007 3:52:47 PM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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Archaeologist's Find Could Shake Up Science (Topper Site)
SP Times | 1-7-2007 | Heather Urquides
Posted on 01/08/2007 2:14:54 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1764245/posts


14 posted on 02/17/2007 5:00:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 15, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam. Topper keyword.

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15 posted on 02/17/2007 5:01:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 15, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

16 posted on 02/17/2007 5:11:18 PM PST by blam
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Study Says Americas Settled 15,000 Years Ago
Source: National Geographic
Published: 8-31-2001 Author: Not stated
Posted on 09/03/2001 06:59:54 PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b938cda48c8.htm


17 posted on 02/17/2007 5:12:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 15, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Spktyr

18 posted on 02/17/2007 5:41:57 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: concentric circles

There have been some "rethinks" about that too, as of late. Some thoughts have the glaciation coming down as far as North Central Texas.

That said, much of the rest of North America would have been permafrost or uninhabitable even with the depicted amount of glaciation. Any artifacts would have been destroyed.


19 posted on 02/17/2007 8:30:13 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: blam

Neat !!!


20 posted on 02/18/2007 5:56:15 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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