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Terrorism not ruled out in Salt Lake case
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54286 ^

Posted on 02/16/2007 2:58:05 PM PST by kronos77

While the FBI stated it has found no evidence Islamic terrorism was a motive in the Salt Lake City mall shooting, investigators have not ruled it out, a police spokeswoman told WND.

But Salt Lake Police spokeswoman Robin Snyder told WND the FBI is still working with her department on the case, and investigators continue to explore the terrorism angle.

"We will pursue every single lead," she said. "There is not one lead we are not willing to pursue. At this point, we don't have any idea of any motive. Nothing is ruled out."

Nevertheless, Tefft – a founding member of the CIA's counter-terrorism center in 1985 – said the FBI's quick downplaying of terror ties in such cases is all too familiar and believes spokesman Kiernan probably was embarrassed by his statement.

"It's almost a joke in any counter-terrorism circles that within half a day of most unexplained incidents the FBI comes out and says it isn't terrorism," he said. "They'll come out with a conclusion based on no information."

Kiernan did not reply to WND's request for comment.

Harvey Kushner, a counter-terrorism adviser to the federal government, told WND he also sees the FBI's response as typical.

"It follows a pattern where media, and often even law enforcement itself, would rather dismiss it as an act of a crazed gunman and ignore the person's background, his religious beliefs," said Kushner, chairman of the Department of Criminal Justice at Long Island University and author of "Holy War on the Home Front: The Secret Islamic Terror Network in the United States."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bosnia; islam; saltlake; terror; whatwastaught; whatwerethesermons; whichimmam; whicmosque

1 posted on 02/16/2007 2:58:08 PM PST by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

Arround here, in Serbia, word is that he was Wehabbi.


2 posted on 02/16/2007 2:59:09 PM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

"no evidence Islamic terrorism was a motive"

Killer was muslim.


3 posted on 02/16/2007 3:00:21 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: kronos77

I never ruled it out.


4 posted on 02/16/2007 3:00:41 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: kronos77

Of course it was terrorism. And we will see more of them, especially against Jews, because of the type of immigrants we are importing, hordes from enemy nations.


5 posted on 02/16/2007 3:02:05 PM PST by Dante3
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To: edcoil

And hollering "Allah Akbar" is usually a pretty good clue. If they don't want to call it terrorism because he wasn't part of a big plot, maybe we should just coin a new term.

How about "a la carte terrorism"?


6 posted on 02/16/2007 3:02:53 PM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: edcoil
I don't understand why the LEOs do not say something to the effect that, "We can't comment because we are still investigating", like they do any other crime. Their first utterance is always "no evidence Islamic terrorism was a motive"
7 posted on 02/16/2007 3:04:00 PM PST by WesternPacific
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To: kronos77

Well, at least they are looking into it.


8 posted on 02/16/2007 3:04:09 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: kronos77
I guess the whole part on video/audio of him yelling "Allau Akbar" and shooting might be some kind of an indicator?
9 posted on 02/16/2007 3:05:51 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: kronos77

I have two words: "Well,DUH!"


10 posted on 02/16/2007 3:06:24 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: edcoil

Exactly. If hard evidence was found that he was directed and supplied by an organized cell, maybe they'd call it terrorism. If he was used and exploited by an apocolyptic cult of death worshipping moon bats, then, no, just a loner and an abberation.


11 posted on 02/16/2007 3:07:12 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of too many "R"s.)
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To: kronos77

Well, that's certainly intelligence that we can take to the bank. (sarcasm off).


12 posted on 02/16/2007 3:07:18 PM PST by Seruzawa (Marx's Das Kapital never could compete with the Sears catalog.)
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To: kronos77
"It's almost a joke in any counter-terrorism circles that within half a day of most unexplained incidents the FBI comes out and says it isn't terrorism," he said. "They'll come out with a conclusion based on no information."

Yeah... yuk it up.

13 posted on 02/16/2007 3:07:19 PM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: william clark
It is easier to call it a act of a lone gunman then a act of terrorism.

It is easier to promote the gun control and a big government agenda then having good honest Americans arming themselves.

Then defending themselves against attacks.
14 posted on 02/16/2007 3:07:32 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: william clark
How about "a la carte terrorism"?

We already have a perfectly good term for this, SJS (Sudden Jihad Syndrome).

15 posted on 02/16/2007 3:21:18 PM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: edcoil

Right - so if there are one thousand isolated cases of muslims killing westerners that's ok according to the MSM they're all isolated instances .... seems the MSM has kicked this one under the rug ....


16 posted on 02/16/2007 3:21:54 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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To: kronos77; All
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17 posted on 02/16/2007 3:23:31 PM PST by musicman
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To: riverrunner

It is easier to call it a act of a lone gunman then a act of terrorism.




It's easier still when local police skip over any computer data when in the suspect's home!


18 posted on 02/16/2007 3:23:40 PM PST by Eclectica (Ask your MD about Evolution. Please!)
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To: kronos77
At this point, we don't have any idea of any motive.


19 posted on 02/16/2007 3:24:59 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: kronos77

First motive that occurred to me.

Some day, sooner or later, one of these head cases that happen to be dedicated to Islamofascist terrorism, is going to trip the wire of a REALLY big anti-personnel, property-destroying, home-rigged bomb in some urban area, and maybe, just MAYBE, a faint sense of self-preservation will kick in among the American people, and religious profiling will be pursued with a vengeance.


20 posted on 02/16/2007 3:28:49 PM PST by alloysteel (It is a lot easier to honor a dead prophet, than tolerate a live one.)
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To: edcoil

I think the authorities are scared to call a Muslim murderer a terrorist because of the large number of Muslims in the country.


21 posted on 02/16/2007 3:34:45 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: 353FMG

Lets put it like this:

Our own authorities in former Yugolsavia, at the end of the 80es hidded from us that attacks on civillians are Islam/based, we hade several casses of Albanian Muslim conscripts killing several of their Christian friends with AKs, and they did killings cause "Mendal dissorder".

Five years later whole-out war broke-out


22 posted on 02/16/2007 3:39:33 PM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77

Terrorism? Shhh, we can't have that leaking out! Nope, nothing to look at, move along.


23 posted on 02/16/2007 3:44:24 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: kronos77

Have they confiscated his computer and searched his home? I certainly doubt it or we would have heard from CAIR by now.


24 posted on 02/16/2007 4:16:08 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: kronos77; Bokababe; tgambill; ma bell

Well, he does have the beginnings of a little beard! (He's 18, after all, so can't grow a full one yet.)

There have been proven examples of one-man jihad-inspired mass murders in the US. Now that it's harder for islamists to organize a large-scale conspiracy here without getting caught, this might become the usual jihadist modus operandi, as some terrorism experts have speculated.

And who would suspect a poor victimized "Bosnian" muslim "refugee", except for a "Serb nationalist extremist" like me!!!! </sarcasm off>


25 posted on 02/16/2007 4:22:35 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: kronos77

"..Muslim conscripts killing several of their Christian friends.."


We do not have conscripts like you have, but I expect Muslims to start killing Christians here soon enough using all kinds of justifications.


26 posted on 02/16/2007 4:24:15 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: kronos77

No one knows for sure if Islamic desire to kill infidels was the motive, but OF COURSE IT WAS TERRORISM. The very act of randomly gunning down screaming civilians in a mall is a textbook definition of terrorism. There is no way this can be classified as anything but terrorism, pure and simple.


27 posted on 02/16/2007 5:06:51 PM PST by Sender ("Great powers should never get involved in the politics of small tribes.")
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bttt


28 posted on 02/16/2007 5:11:25 PM PST by DocRock (What would Solomon Do?)
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To: kronos77
See this thread, people are saying they hear "Allahu Akbar!" several times in the mall audio.
29 posted on 02/16/2007 5:14:21 PM PST by Sender ("Great powers should never get involved in the politics of small tribes.")
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To: 353FMG
I think the authorities are scared to call a Muslim murderer a terrorist because of the large number of Muslims in the country

Bingo....you have hit the nail on the head.
Law Enforcement knows the cells are here and they are afraid because of the number of cells inside the nation.
Nineteen kill nearly 3,000.
When you make a deal with the devil, you are forced to worship him.
A deal has been made with the devil and Law Enforcement doesn't have the people to deal with the devil if the devil becomes angry, and begins to act in earnest.
Therefore as you stated, I think the authorities are scared to call a Muslim murderer a terrorist because of the large number of Muslims in the country

30 posted on 02/16/2007 5:15:46 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes.)
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To: kronos77

It would be nice if the FBI would get the message that it is OK for them to say "We don't know yet" for a while.

It would cut down on the aggravation *I* get at people around here assuming that every shooting, stabbing and traffic accident is terrorism.


31 posted on 02/16/2007 5:26:28 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: All
We should all be exceedingly grateful for the fact that no Law Enforcement officials have been indicted for killing the perp. In this day and time, one never knows when a Law Enforcement officer or two or more Law Enforcement officers will be arrested and brought to trial simply for doing what needed to be done.
32 posted on 02/16/2007 5:38:40 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes.)
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To: 353FMG
We do not have conscripts like you have, but I expect Muslims to start killing Christians here soon enough using all kinds of justifications.

You forget the Muslim Sargent that fragged his buddies in Kuwait!

33 posted on 02/16/2007 6:49:14 PM PST by F-117A (Mr. Ahtisaari, give Sápmi it's independence! Free the Sami!!!)
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To: no-to-illegals

And what is so ominous is that the government continues to allow Muslim immigration knowing full well that it will be the end of this country. One wonders whose side the goverment is on.


34 posted on 02/16/2007 9:16:25 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: Honorary Serb
It strongly looks to me like some imam supplied him with the guns and ammo. This article quotes his father as saying he didn't know how the perp got them. There's no indication that the perp was into any shooting sports of any kind or any gang activity where he could have gotten the gear. Also, he was only 18, meaning he couldn't legally purchase the hand gun he was carrying. Thus, the process of elimination leads us to some imam and the likelihood that this is a part of an Islamofascist terrorist operation, with the perp being the trigger man.

The most interesting thing is it's almost a week since the atrocity and the authorities have released no information about how he got the guns and ammo. In every "alienated teenager" shooting, like Columbine, this information comes out almost immediately. Why not here? Could the authorities know exactly where the stuff came from but be suppressing the information? Why??

35 posted on 02/17/2007 6:01:37 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper; NraFreedom; Bokababe; kronos77; tgambill

The powers that be in Utah are trying to prevent a "backlash against Bosniaks" in that state.

Could a cover-up (which I hope is temporary) be part of those efforts?


36 posted on 02/17/2007 1:05:18 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb
Could a cover-up (which I hope is temporary) be part of those efforts?

I strongly suspect it is.

For example, just look at what happened after Columbine. The Feds and the media gave the two subhumans posthumous anal exams that covered everything they did, particularly how they got their weapons. All of this was disclosed within a week or less of the atrocity.

nothing about how this subhuman obtained his guns and ammo, even though there's no report of his having either a legitimate or an illegitimate way of getting them. This is particularly disgusting because, of all the recent random shootings, SLC smells more like a conspiracy than any other because it appears somebody provided him the gear precisely so he could go out and commit an atrocity.

The DBM and governmental silence about this leads me strongly to suspect that some imam gave him the guns, ammo and training. After all, the DBM and government have consistently done their best to cover up Islamic involvement in a number of similar incidents, indicating that's probably what they're doing here.

37 posted on 02/17/2007 1:53:42 PM PST by libstripper
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To: kronos77

Here's another one the MSM and officials are ignoring:

"Man hit by cab after driver made anti-Semitic comments, witnesses say

Driver said he hitler was trying to "cleanse" world of the Jews

Sheila Burke


A Nashville cabbie made anti-Semitic statements and praised Adolph Hitler’s campaign against Jews during a religious argument that culminated when he ran over one of the passengers as he left the taxi, witnesses said during a hearing today.

The cab driver, Ibrahim Ahmed, said Hitler was “trying to rid the world of Jews,” the alleged victim, Jeremie Imbus, told the court.
“I just remember …(being)… I guess the word is ‘shocked,’” Imbus said of the Feb. 18 incident.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070226/NEWS03/70226043



38 posted on 02/28/2007 10:29:58 AM PST by dervish ("To fight for King and Country is to fight for the future.But a barren society has no future" Steyn)
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