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Giuliani or McCain: Both are bad choices (window dressing and a criminal)
WND ^ | February 13, 2007 | Mychal Massie

Posted on 02/13/2007 6:53:59 AM PST by IrishMike

Many of you have hearts that are still a-flutter after watching the recent Rudy Giuliani love-fest on "Hannity and Colmes." But I implore you, do not be fooled by the packaging lest you forget we fooled ourselves in 2000, and apart from that candidate's appointment of John Roberts to the Supreme Court, his intractability pursuant to the war on terror and an overall good economy – we now have someone who refuses to halt illegal immigration and has abandoned border guards who should have received medals of valor for stopping illegal Mexican dope smuggling criminals, but instead received 11 and 12 years in prison. Rudy is no conservative – he is a liberal Republican. As mayor of New York City, Giuliani was an anti-gun, social liberal, fiscal moderate , who rid Times Square of prostitution and pornography and significantly curbed crime.

Rudy is window dressing in an empty house. ..................................................

John McCain, on the other hand, has been little more than an impediment from the beginning. He was one of the principle lawmakers involved in the "Keating Five" – a congressional scandal related to the worst savings and loan collapse in history. It was reported that he, along with four of his congressional counterparts, attempted to undermine and influence the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, which is responsible for regulating the banking industry, during its investigation of the Lincoln Savings and Loan collapse. It was also revealed that McCain and his counterparts had collectively received at least $1.3 million in campaign contributions from Charles Keating, the former chairman of said savings and loan, who was faulted with its failure.

To ensure that the voters never again have the ability to have such criminal activity revealed, or be reminded of same before the offenders are elected, McCain co-authored the McCain-Feingold Act

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; blueonblue; circularfiringsqd; democrats; electionpresident; gop; holdnoseandvote; homosexualslovehim; mccain; republicans; superrino; worldnetgarbage; worldnutdaily
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To: RockinRight

I have not made up MY mind. But thank you for your opinion on the matter. I am considering all three candidates. If one trashes the other, the trasher is the first to be marked off my list.


41 posted on 02/13/2007 8:29:57 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Fair enough.

I think Brownback has strayed too far on economic, defense, and fiscal issues and Huckabee doesn't have the charisma to win. Hunter has all the above. Although, all three have a lot of work to do if they want the name recognition to be able to win.


42 posted on 02/13/2007 8:34:17 AM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: RockinRight

I want to hear more. I know about Brownback and Huckabee in a longer term sense than I know about Hunter. You cannot erase history, though Romney thinks you can.


43 posted on 02/13/2007 8:36:32 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: IrishMike

I'll make my personal choice known when I vote in the republican primary.

As far as the general election, I will vote, and I will vote for ANY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE who Hillary is running against.


44 posted on 02/13/2007 8:39:57 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: bondjamesbond
HONK! if you like Fred Thompson!

Thompson is a McCain disciple. If you don't like McCain, you won't like Fred either.

45 posted on 02/13/2007 8:43:38 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: blau993; dmz; mariabush
blau993;dmz Ask the National Alliance of Families what their opinion of McCain is and you will learn the truth about how hard he worked to prevent the recovery of our missing troops remains.

In a Navy Times report on the Missing Service Personnel Act, Senator John McCain receives a less than flattering review. In a quote by McCain we hear it is "... unworkable, unnecessary and counterproductive." He is also quoted as saying: "The provisions of this Bill {MSPA} would require the creation of a costly and burdensome bureaucracy with no added value to the process." In the long run, we should not be surprised. McCain has long gone to extremes to undermine efforts of countless people in search of a fair accounting and the truth. Perhaps, we should ask McCain just exactly WHAT IS UNWORKABLE, UNNECESSARY AND COUNTERPRODUCTIVE... identifying Live POWs and returning remains of MIAs or the Senators' continued tantrums and power games. http://www.aiipowmia.com/updates/updt196.html

46 posted on 02/13/2007 8:44:13 AM PST by B4Ranch (You're in America now. Here we speak English.)
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To: Russ
Every candidate other than Hunter (who has as much chance as I do) seems to be unacceptable to my fellow Free Republicans.

We like Newt too.

Heaven forbid we elect a (shudder!) RINO.

If we're going to take the party as far left as you seem to want it, we might just as well go ahead and dissolve the Republican Party and start over. If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything.

47 posted on 02/13/2007 9:57:00 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: jammer
...back when this forum was peopled by the knucklehead conservatives the site was designed for and advanced by.

I didn't know that.

48 posted on 02/13/2007 10:28:57 AM PST by Syncro
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To: IrishMike
The Real McCain

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" Part II

John McCain Gets Soros Cash

John McCain Is No Hero

U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate

JOHN MCCAIN, WARTS AND ALL

John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts... (thread by Jim Robinson)

McCain Is Booed by Labor Activists

McCain Rides to Kerry's Rescue: "John Kerry is Not Weak on Defense" (Today Show alert)

John McCain SCREAMS AT 9/11 FSA MEMBERS FOR OPPOSING HIS BILL TO GIVE AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS

John McCain's Skeleton Closet

A number of articles on McCain. (some the same as above)

McCain/Soros by Rabbi Areyh Spero

Soros' "Reform" (an article about Soros‘ instrumental hand in McCain/Feingold)

Not Child‘s Play [McCain/Schumer bill could effect FR?]

McCain's Letter (McCain aligns with Global Enviro activists)

The Turning Point on Global Warming (McCain and Lieberman Op-Ed Alert)

McCain Looked into Caucusing with Democrats

Climate bill sets stage for debate (Sens. McCain, Obama, and Lieberman join forces)

McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives (Club For Growth)

John McCain Goes Left for Money

Sens. Snowe, Collins to head Maine exploratory committee for McCain

Double Talk Express. McCain in his own words. VIDEO

49 posted on 02/13/2007 11:01:05 AM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: pissant

I didn't support him--but a lot on here did and I would have, had he been nominated. What's the point of your question, anyway? That popularity makes a candidate right? That unpopularity makes him wrong? Your screen name is an apt description of your intellect.


50 posted on 02/13/2007 11:07:06 AM PST by jammer
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To: IrishMike

Kudos to Antoninus for the pic.

51 posted on 02/13/2007 11:07:31 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Most metro pubbies vote as they did in high school; for the most popular rather than most qualified.)
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To: Syncro

Well, you've been here marginally longer than I, so I'm surprised. The first point is evident in the mission statement. The second part was evident in the posts. Or do you take exception to the sarcastic use of the word "knucklehead?"


52 posted on 02/13/2007 11:09:26 AM PST by jammer
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To: Tanniker Smith

Your side. There was more than a little sarcasm in the last clause--unless you're one of those who hijacked the forum. But I still agree with you on this issue, either way.


53 posted on 02/13/2007 11:11:16 AM PST by jammer
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To: dmz
I have no clue as to how long I could have "endured", but I am not trained like Navy pilots and crew's are.

My husband is ex counter-intel, and would have died before giving up one code or even a tiny bit of information. He is no different from thousands of other's that would have refused to sell our their country.
54 posted on 02/13/2007 11:26:02 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: jammer
Well, I read the mission statement different than you do.

Oh and I don't give much credence (does that clear the water a little?) to sign on dates.

Syncro
Since Sep 23, 1996

view home page, enter name:
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They are usually meaningless.

55 posted on 02/13/2007 11:49:48 AM PST by Syncro
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To: jammer

The point of my question was in response to your unsolicited two cents posted to me, extolling the good old days when Keyes was supported in masse here. Pat Robertson holds many of the same views as Keyes, and Reagan for that matter. But only one of those three is not a knucklehead, and only one of those three was worthy of support in an election. I'll let you figure out why.


56 posted on 02/13/2007 12:36:30 PM PST by pissant
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To: jammer
Actually, if I remember the results correctly, a lot of people had their own candidate but didn't hate Keyes so he was 2 or 3 on their list. The number ones above him ran the gamut from Bauer to Quayle.

Okay, for my own sake, let's see in the gray matter can remember this much trivia. There were 9 GOP candidates at the time: Bush, Forbes, Buchanan, Quayle, Liddy Dole, Bauer, Keyes, McCain ... nope. Don't remember the final one. 8 out of 9 aint bad.

The conservatives in toto dominated, but it was split up too many ways.

TS

The

57 posted on 02/13/2007 12:42:07 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (For the children and the flowers are my sisters and my brothers . . .)
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To: IrishMike

Dammit! If I can't find a candidate whose views are 100% consistent with mine on every single issue out there- I'm staying home to cry and complain on election day.

/100 percenter delusion


58 posted on 02/13/2007 12:42:55 PM PST by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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To: ClaireSolt

Bush is far more than merely inadquate on Immigration.

He pushes for amnesty and refuses to use his powers as Commander In Chief to close the borders using the National Guard or the Army other than a token show of force that is not even allowed to respond to incursions other than to report and retreat.

He's borderline incompetant when it comes to this issue.

If he's not incompetant then he's borderline treasonous. Either way the man supports by words and deeds the invasion of this country by those not of this country, some of which wish our destruction.


59 posted on 02/13/2007 12:55:24 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Agree, with the exception of Liddy Dole, whose philosophy I question (the existence of it, that is). At the time, I supported, knowing it was a lost cause, Forbes. I'm couldn't be described as a "social" conservative, although I share some of their values.

One thing, not germane to any of this thread, I disagree with when these discussions begin is the categorization of inflexible 2nd Amendment rights with "social" conservatism. That value is, to me, the bedrock of everything, the sine qua non of our Republic. Without having that, we have no other rights protected from Government. That, if nothing else, is what makes Rudy totally unacceptable to me.

60 posted on 02/13/2007 1:09:38 PM PST by jammer
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