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CA: Double-dipping - DROP pads city pensions to absurd levels (San Diego)
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 2/11/07 | Editorial

Posted on 02/11/2007 5:43:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge

If you ever doubted that the pension benefits of San Diego municipal workers were excessive, consider these simple numbers:

A typical firefighter making $75,000 a year can retire at age 55 with a pension of $99,767 – or 133 percent of his highest-year salary. That's right, a worker earning $75,000 can retire with a pension just shy of a hundred grand, along with annual cost-of-living increases, for the rest of his life.

The same lavish deal is provided to nonpublic-safety employees, with the only difference being that the worker would have to stay on the job until the advanced age of 60.

DROP, the Deferred Retirement Option Plan, is the reason for this absurdity. Here is how it works:

When a worker reaches the official retirement age – 50 for police and fire employees, 55 for all others – he is allowed to stay on the job for up to five more years. During that time, he collects both his full paycheck and his regular pension. The retirement checks are paid into a DROP account, and the city's pension plan pays a guaranteed 8 percent compounded interest on it. After five years of this double-dipping, the DROP account is made available to the retiree, on top of his regular pension.

So, the typical firefighter making $75,000 can begin receiving annual DROP payments of $67,500 (90 percent of his highest-year salary) at age 50. By age 55, with compounded interest, his DROP account will be bulging with $403,343. If he leaves the DROP account in the pension plan, he is guaranteed 8 percent annual interest, or $32,267 a year. So, he retires at age 55 with regular pension payments of $67,500 a year, augmented by DROP earnings of $32,267, for a total pension of $99,767 a year – all on a highest-year salary of $75,000.

The City Council has eliminated the DROP program for workers hired after June 2005. Mayor Jerry Sanders wants to abolish it for all workers not already enrolled in it. That's a wonderful idea, because the benefit is costing San Diego taxpayers up to $400 million. There is, however, a huge catch. The City Council may not have the legal right to take back the DROP benefit from workers who qualify for it today.

City Attorney Mike Aguirre claims the DROP program is illegal and that the City Council can eliminate it for all employees whenever it wants. But Aguirre's track record when it comes to pension matters is appalling. He came up empty in his vain bid to persuade Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Barton to set aside $700 million in existing retirement benefits for city workers, including the DROP program.

Ann Smith, the lawyer for the Municipal Employees Association, the city's biggest union, asserts it would be “unlawful” for the City Council to take back the DROP program for workers hired before mid-2005. For those workers, Smith contends, the DROP program is a vested benefit protected by state law. Given that Smith's track record on the legality of pension benefits is far superior to Aguirre's, the City Council should tread warily.

We agree the DROP program should be eliminated for all workers – but only if the City Council determines through outside legal counsel that it has the legal right to do so.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; doubledipping; governmentunion; pensions; sandiego; sandiegopension; union; unions
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DROP = Deferred Retirement Option Plan

Excessive pensions

A typical worker earning $75,000 can receive a pension of $99,767 or 133% of his highest-year salary.

1 posted on 02/11/2007 5:43:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Dang. Why work?


2 posted on 02/11/2007 5:47:32 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: NormsRevenge

"When a worker reaches the official retirement age – 50 for police and fire employees, 55 for all others – he is allowed ..."

When it's a 'worker,' it's allowed to be 'he.' Firemen, however, must be 'fire employees.'

How do they keep this straight?


3 posted on 02/11/2007 5:50:37 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: NormsRevenge

The left is fond of whining that CEO and other corporate officers are gross profiteers for making more than any more than a few times the renumeration of their employees. They even have formulas for determining "socially responsible" corporate practices. Where is the basis for the notion that civil servants, as in C-I-V-I-L S-E-R-V-A-N-T-S, should be better paid than anything comparable in the private sector. Or...maybe that's where the lefties gravitate to when they have to leave school...?


4 posted on 02/11/2007 5:50:41 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: NormsRevenge

Sweet deal...I wish my Navy pension was comparable.


5 posted on 02/11/2007 5:59:13 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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To: NormsRevenge
Logging, or commercial fishing in Alaska are FAR more hazardous than being a cop or fireman. Neither of those two private jobs has ANY retirement benefits.
6 posted on 02/11/2007 6:04:39 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I can sit back in Idaho and laugh. It wasn't so funny when I was a resident of the City of San Diego. My property taxes were siphoned off for the benefit of professional football and baseball players, stadium owners and a legion of corrupt politicians.
7 posted on 02/11/2007 6:18:36 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Carry_Okie

And they CHOOSE TO BE FISHERMAN. I have no problem with this pension plan, anyone qualified can CHOOSE TO BE A FIREMAN. They risk their lives for the citizenry. I do resent the quadruple dipping by the pols.


8 posted on 02/11/2007 6:18:48 PM PST by az wildkitten
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To: Carry_Okie

Down here in San Diego, second largest city in Calif. the Police are so under paid, over 100+ have switched to other cities in the Co.
those who scan the groceries at Ralphs, etc. makes as much or more than the police

Here in a large city the police are faced with not only every type of crime but they are also picked of by gangbangers and illegals.


9 posted on 02/11/2007 6:20:24 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: Myrddin

Those corrupt pols have been voted out and most in jail.
The guy who ownes the Chargers and wants a new stadium is a conservative republican.


10 posted on 02/11/2007 6:23:20 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: az wildkitten
I have no problem with this pension plan, anyone qualified can CHOOSE TO BE A FIREMAN.

Equine feces. The lines for applications are so long it's ridiculous that we pay as much as we do. Nor are firemen selected by job qualification, affirmative action being what it is. Work tasks are being redefined so that women can do them too. Being a fireman has become a VERY cushy deal.

They risk their lives for the citizenry.

Not like they used to. Union "safety rules" have taken over to a remarkable degree, especially in CDF.

11 posted on 02/11/2007 6:25:09 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: SoCalPol
those who scan the groceries at Ralphs, etc. makes as much or more than the police

That won't last long. If being a cop is such a bad deal, why are there so many applicants? Check out the applications for firefighting positions some time.

12 posted on 02/11/2007 6:27:13 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: Carry_Okie

S.D. is around 200 officers short


13 posted on 02/11/2007 6:35:40 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: NormsRevenge
Have people here read "A Time For Truth" by William Simon (Sr.)?

It was the story of how the government unions bankrupted New York City in the 70's.

I've lived in San Diego since 1978. It's becoming New York as I watch.

And, of course, coming to your city, soon...not to mention the entire US.

14 posted on 02/11/2007 7:01:36 PM PST by Chairman Fred (@mousiedung.commie)
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To: Carry_Okie

My husband was a commercial fisherman...I can attest to the dangerous part!


15 posted on 02/11/2007 7:39:04 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: SoCalPol

Who are in jail?


16 posted on 02/11/2007 7:39:53 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: Carry_Okie

There are a lot of applicants but not a lot of qualified applicants. Do you want a guy that just kicked his heroin habid carrying a gun or responding to an emergency in your city? Cities are having a very hard time meeting hiring goals and it has become a very competitive business trying to lure quality people to a particular department.


17 posted on 02/11/2007 7:49:10 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: SoCalPol
The guy who ownes the Chargers and wants a new stadium is a conservative republican.

And a fine example of conservative principles. Let's see if he is really a conservative or just a socialist waiting to line his pockets with substantial taxpayer subsidies. A conservative would build a stadium with private financing and shun "deals" with politicians. I'm not holding my breath.

18 posted on 02/11/2007 8:12:03 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: NormsRevenge
Guess what? The city of San Diego issued hundreds of millions of dollars of municipal bonds without disclosing that their pension fund was vastly underfunded.

Soooooo..., the one and only SEC is investigating securities fraud. San Diego is a financial train wreck. A great peek into the future for most municipalities.

19 posted on 02/11/2007 8:16:52 PM PST by groanup (War is not the answer, victory is.)
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To: Yogafist
Cities are having a very hard time meeting hiring goals and it has become a very competitive business trying to lure quality people to a particular department.

My bet is that cities lose more people because of PC lawyer/activist-driven bureaucratic loops than because of pay.

20 posted on 02/11/2007 8:51:27 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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