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U.S. military sees alarming pattern in copter downings
UHT ^ | 2/8/07 | Richard A. Oppel Jr. and James Glanz Published

Posted on 02/08/2007 9:12:52 AM PST by TexKat

BAGHDAD: Two new helicopter crashes near Baghdad are the latest in a spate of downings that strongly suggest insurgents have adapted their tactics to make American helicopters more vulnerable and are now putting more effort toward shooting down U.S. aircraft, American officials say.

Six American helicopters have crashed or been shot down in the past 19 days — including a Marine CH-46 Sea Knight transport on Wednesday, killing seven people — apparently the largest number of helicopters lost in such a short period since the invasion of Iraq.

The recent rash of crashes indicates insurgents have become smarter about anticipating American flight patterns and finding ways to use old weapons to down helicopters. Those aircraft, many of which were equipped with sophisticated antimissile technology, still can be vulnerable to more conventional weapons fired from the ground.

Details about the downed Sea Knight, which crashed into an open

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A U.S. Army CH-46 Sea Knight helicopter flew over Baghdad on Wednesday. Another Sea Knight helicopter went down in Iraq the same day. (Marko Drobnjakovic/AP)

1 posted on 02/08/2007 9:12:53 AM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Oh well. I guess they have to stop flying helocopters.

What would a real superpower do?

2 posted on 02/08/2007 9:14:51 AM PST by zarf
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To: TexKat

The last reported "crashed" helicopter didn't crash, but had a hard landing, with no one injured. The media is inflating the numbers and incidents.


3 posted on 02/08/2007 9:14:56 AM PST by SolidWood (Sadr lives. Kill him.)
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To: TexKat
Choppers are inherently vulnerable to ground fire. What's new?
4 posted on 02/08/2007 9:15:04 AM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: verity

Choppers are inherently vulnerable to ground fire. What's new?
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Always been that way. Wonder why they keep flying them into zones that have not been swept clean of bad boys ?? Until we really start fighting this war, on a war-footing scale, will we have results. The atrition will continue until then.


5 posted on 02/08/2007 9:17:41 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: verity
What's new?

7 of our military troops have fallen.

6 posted on 02/08/2007 9:19:04 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: zarf
Just ask the Russians about what the Mujahadeen did to their helicopters with bolt action SMLE rifles, in the mountains of Afghanistan in the early 80's
7 posted on 02/08/2007 9:19:07 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: verity

What's new? I'd like to know this too. It seems to be only recently that the insurgents have had so much success shooting down our copters. What's changed? Do they have better weapons now?


8 posted on 02/08/2007 9:19:14 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: zarf

of course they also eventually had stinger missles from us too.


9 posted on 02/08/2007 9:20:10 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: TexKat
We started losing B-52s over North Vietnam the same way - seemingly impervious for years and then suddenly you lose a half dozen in a week.

I remember a lot of the crews immediately became COs (Conscientious Objectors).
10 posted on 02/08/2007 9:21:32 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: verity

You do not even have to hit the fuselage or engines. A few rounds through the main and/or tail rotor blades can have catastropic consequences.


11 posted on 02/08/2007 9:24:14 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: Stone Mountain
Do they have better weapons now?

Wouldn't doubt if we didn't train someone to shoot better. Any good marksman, with a 30cal are larger rife can bring down a copter every now and then. It's also a matter of knowing where to shoot.

12 posted on 02/08/2007 9:24:57 AM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Stone Mountain; EagleUSA
Officials Report Sixth Helicopter Downing in Iraq

Feb 8, 2007 — BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A helicopter operated by a private security firm came down in Iraq last week, U.S. officials said on Thursday, an incident that marks the sixth downing of a helicopter in three weeks.

Reports of the January 31 incident, in which no one was killed, come a day after seven crew members and passengers aboard a U.S. Marine helicopter were killed when it crashed near Baghdad, possibly after being hit by ground fire.

The U.S. military, concerned that militants have changed tactics or are using more sophisticated weapons, has said it is adjusting its tactics.

more...

13 posted on 02/08/2007 9:25:59 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Stone Mountain
According to the above article the month with highest number of downed helicopters was January 2004. So it's actually not new... except the media now has found a new issue to beat around.

I'm not denying there has been a new and tragic rise in downed copters, but I'm not only seeing a new pattern by insurgents, but also by their media allies.

Reporting was contributed by David Cloud in Washington, Ali Adeeb and Qais Mizher in Baghdad and an Iraqi employee of the New York Times.

FYI

14 posted on 02/08/2007 9:26:01 AM PST by SolidWood (Sadr lives. Kill him.)
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To: TexKat

Regarding title: so are the rest of us. Something is amiss.


15 posted on 02/08/2007 9:29:26 AM PST by madison10
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To: org.whodat

There is, likely, Iranian tactical support and training that is helping them.


16 posted on 02/08/2007 9:29:55 AM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: SolidWood

If Bush leaks "classified" info to the press that Iran is sending Streylas to Iraq, then MSM trumpeting about troop killing helo crashes lays the groundwork for escalation with Iran.

Kinda nice to have the Liberal press working for us for a change, eh?


17 posted on 02/08/2007 9:30:37 AM PST by jeffers
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To: TexKat

Maybe they are not such old weapons!


18 posted on 02/08/2007 9:30:43 AM PST by sappy
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To: TexKat

We lost like how many choppers in Vietnam? Four thousand plus comes to mind ... so in ten years, what's the daily count?


19 posted on 02/08/2007 9:32:38 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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To: zarf
What would a real superpower do?

Fly higher and slower...


 

20 posted on 02/08/2007 9:34:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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