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'We Feel No Shame'- The Brothers Who Killed Their Sister For Honour
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 2-7-2007 | Declan Walsh

Posted on 02/07/2007 4:27:56 PM PST by blam

'We feel no shame' - the brothers who killed their sister for honour

Tragic tale highlights scale of beatings and murder of women in countryside

Declan Walsh in Donga Bonga, Pakistan
Wednesday February 7, 2007
The Guardian (UK)

Maqbool Ahmed and Muhammad Aslam, who beat their sister to death. Photograph: Declan Walsh

Shackled together at the wrist, the two brothers awaited their fate at the lonely jail in Donga Bonga, a cotton-farming backwater near Pakistan's sealed border with India.

They were poor men, barefoot farm labourers with pinched cheeks and calloused hands. But when they spoke, their bloodshot eyes flashed with cold steel.
Four days earlier Muhammad Aslam, 35, and Maqbool Ahmed, 40, had killed their younger sister and her lover. It was a crude, gruesome death: the pair were battered with a brick and strangled with an old rope. But the killers expressed not an ounce of remorse.

"We feel no shame. They had been warned," said Aslam, a slightly built father of eight. "We did it for honour," said Ahmed defiantly. "In our society a man without honour is nothing."

A man's pride exacts a high price in hidebound rural Pakistan. Almost every day a woman is beaten, clubbed or shot to death for what is euphemistically termed "adultery" - sex outside marriage. In most cases the killer is a father, brother or uncle.

"There's an increased brutalisation of society," said Kamila Hyat of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, which recorded about 300 so-called honour killings in 2006 - about the same number as the previous year.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 02/07/2007 4:27:57 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

See this what Islam does to a family


2 posted on 02/07/2007 4:29:38 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: blam
"We feel no shame. They had been warned," said Aslam, a slightly built father of eight. "We did it for honour," said Ahmed defiantly. "In our society a man without honour is nothing."

Muslims have no honor.

3 posted on 02/07/2007 4:29:47 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: blam

a repugnant and defiled people.


4 posted on 02/07/2007 4:29:53 PM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: blam

Good stuff from one of our allies in the WOT. /s


5 posted on 02/07/2007 4:31:27 PM PST by rocksblues (Do unto others as they do unto you!)
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To: blam
Reminds me of the little town in Missouri where the town bully was shot to death in broad daylight, and nobody saw nuthin'.

It's hard to feel any pity for either of these parties, but if I was forced to side with one, it would be the Donga Bonga Brothers.

6 posted on 02/07/2007 4:33:43 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: SevenofNine

This isn't peculiarly Islamic, though. It's tribal crap that predates Islam. The same thing goes on in India among the Hindus in the backwaters. And there are cases of Middle Eastern Christians doing it as well. Of course, Islam does nothing to ameliorate it.


7 posted on 02/07/2007 4:34:46 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: SevenofNine
See this what Islam does to a family

We're gonna' go through a lot of ammo before this thing is over...

8 posted on 02/07/2007 4:35:09 PM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: johnny7
"We're gonna' go through a lot of ammo before this thing is over..."

BLOAT

9 posted on 02/07/2007 4:37:09 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Sounds like gang members here in the states killing someone for "dissing" them. You don't demand respect or honor, you earn it.


10 posted on 02/07/2007 4:38:18 PM PST by LetsRok
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To: blam

True, modern barbarians.


11 posted on 02/07/2007 4:38:26 PM PST by KoRn
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To: blam

muslims have no souls


12 posted on 02/07/2007 4:39:04 PM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: johnny7

Which one of us has those old Gatling guns stored away?


13 posted on 02/07/2007 4:39:30 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: blam
In our society a man without honour is nothing."

Their religious insanity aside, this is true. But that religious insanity trumped their honor, big-time!

The honorable thing to do would be to force them to kill each other in honor of their cult. Admission $1(US). :-)

14 posted on 02/07/2007 4:39:45 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: blam

In the context of this barbaric primitive society, it was actually very forward-thinking of them to issue a warning, and then only do the killings after the warning was ignored, and to kill the man too. Warnings are rarely issued, especially in cases where the relationship has gone as far as sex. Plenty of women/girls have been killed just for talking to a man/boy, and usually the man/boy isn't killed. And then there was the guy who killed his 2 or 3 young daughters last year, because he was afraid they MIGHT someday dishonor his family.

Hope these guys are enjoying their "honor", while shackled together at the wrist in a jail in Donga Bonga, awaiting trial in front of a judge who's likely to be unsympathetic.


15 posted on 02/07/2007 4:41:45 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

OH so it is India still do this put widow in buring fire with her late husband ashes


16 posted on 02/07/2007 4:42:08 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: IronJack
It's hard to feel any pity for either of these parties, but if I was forced to side with one, it would be the Donga Bonga Brothers.

You would side with the men who murdered their sister for "honor", by strangulation and beating her to death with a brick? And you feel no pity for the murdered woman and her lover? Are you certain you read the article correctly?

17 posted on 02/07/2007 4:44:16 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: blam

"The 35-year-old woman had left her husband a year earlier after a 10-year union that failed to produce any children. Shah started secretly courting Sain, sneaking into her bedroom in the compound she shared with her brothers."

In a society that elicits death for sex outside of marriage, I'd say this was pretty brazen, especially after being warned.

I wonder how much she considered Shah her lover. I think it sounds like he selected her as his lover. Any way you slice it. Its all just wrong and twisted.


18 posted on 02/07/2007 4:45:56 PM PST by Integrityrocks
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To: johnny7

LOL. Yup. Heard that the price of .223 ammo has gone up a lot.


19 posted on 02/07/2007 4:46:27 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: LetsRok

I thought the exact same thing when I read this. No wonder the leftists love these guys -- self-esteem is just another entitlement.


20 posted on 02/07/2007 4:47:14 PM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: LexBaird

I would side with them over an oversexed goon and a whore. But frankly, I wouldn't piss on ANY of them if they were on fire.


21 posted on 02/07/2007 4:48:46 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: blam

How do you do this to your sister? Coming to a neighborhood near you?


22 posted on 02/07/2007 4:49:17 PM PST by clinkclink
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To: blam
Where is Donga Bonga?
23 posted on 02/07/2007 4:49:53 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: blam

Dispatch them to hell.


24 posted on 02/07/2007 4:51:21 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: johnny7

Which is the reason I asked my ex the other day if he had any reloads to spare.


25 posted on 02/07/2007 4:52:32 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: SevenofNine
OH so it is India still do this put widow in buring fire with her late husband ashes

What? In any case, in India it tends to have more to do with someone dating outside their caste. Then there are the 5000 or so killed (usually doused in cooking oil and set on fire) because their dowries aren't big enough.

26 posted on 02/07/2007 4:52:49 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: SevenofNine

That was outlawed by the BRITISH. Another example of how the dirty colonialists imposed their values upon a native peoples.


27 posted on 02/07/2007 4:54:18 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: My2Cents

I like your 2Cents.


28 posted on 02/07/2007 4:55:58 PM PST by clinkclink
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To: IronJack

"I would side with them over an oversexed goon and a whore."

Wait a minute. Sister and boyfriend have sex. Brothers warn them, they don't break up so brothers beat and strangle them to death. You approve of that?


29 posted on 02/07/2007 4:56:38 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: blam

Yay Religion Of Peace!!


30 posted on 02/07/2007 4:59:40 PM PST by OhioLibertarian
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To: blam
the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, which recorded about 300 so-called honour killings in 2006

And yet they do nothing...the "honor killings" go on.

31 posted on 02/07/2007 5:00:10 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: IronJack
I would side with them over an oversexed goon and a whore.

You have a severely twisted sense of justice. You see unsanctioned sex as worse than pre-meditated murder? What's your punishment when you catch your kid whacking off in the barn, amputation of his right hand?

32 posted on 02/07/2007 5:03:40 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
You've got to be kidding.

The "boyfriend" and sister were not high school kids nuzzling in the back seat of Dad's Rambler. The boyfriend was a bully, a crook, probably a murderer, and a thief. The sister had dumped her husband and was screwing this thug right in the next room. The Bonga Bros had told their sister about the repercussions of her relationship with this goon, but she snuck him in like some kind of schoolgirl sneaking cigarettes.

No, I don't "approve" of this. But I can't have a whole lot of pity for Sis and Goonga Din either.

Are you saying that adultery and criminal mayhem are okay?

33 posted on 02/07/2007 5:03:45 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: blam
"But we need to respect other cultures and their values, for they are EQUAL to our cultures and values."

--- Typical Leftist Multi-Culti Diversity Moonbat Freak

34 posted on 02/07/2007 5:04:08 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Rb ver. 2.0; IronJack
A man so obsessed about his sister's sex life has a screw loose to begin with. A man excusing killing her over it.... more than one screw loose.
35 posted on 02/07/2007 5:05:39 PM PST by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
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To: Centurion2000

Anyone who kills a relative especially a sister has no honor. The title should be "Muslims have no honor to family".


37 posted on 02/07/2007 5:06:59 PM PST by YoungSoutherner
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To: blam

When civilization was invented, somehow this culture was left out.


38 posted on 02/07/2007 5:08:48 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (I don't have any reason to be cynical, but...)
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To: blam

I read the headline which did not mention anyone's religion, and I immediately knew what the religion was.
Is there anyone left who doesn't think that the practicioners of the most intolerant, violent, vicious ideology in the world should be expelled?


39 posted on 02/07/2007 5:09:12 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: IronJack
I would side with them over an oversexed goon and a whore.

It was a crude, gruesome death: the pair were battered with a brick and strangled with an old rope. But the killers expressed not an ounce of remorse. "We feel no shame. They had been warned,"

I suppose, you think, all marriages should be arranged?

40 posted on 02/07/2007 5:10:13 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: LexBaird
My son is left-handed.

And I don't see this as "justice." I see it as an artifact of tribal customs, something this woman and her lowlife "lover" knew well. They knew what they were risking -- they had been TOLD what would happen if the affair continued.

And Lothario was not exactly a choir boy. He was nothing but a tinhorn crook. I see this as two brothers from a primitive tribal village doing what the rest of the villagers didn't have the stomach for.

It's savage, brutal, and about as civilized as a stone axe. What it is NOT is "justice," nor did I ever claim it was. I don't care if they hang Bonga One and Two from the highest banyan in Punjab.

41 posted on 02/07/2007 5:11:26 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: TheHound
I suppose, you think, all marriages should be arranged?

HAHAHAHA! This just keeps getting crazier ...

42 posted on 02/07/2007 5:12:29 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

Dude, judge not cigarette smokers lest you be judged. Unbelievable. Do you have sisters? I hope you dont't have daughters.


43 posted on 02/07/2007 5:14:34 PM PST by clinkclink
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To: blam
"Donga Bonga"

Stranger than fiction.

44 posted on 02/07/2007 5:20:35 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Baynative

Same case, different spin.


45 posted on 02/07/2007 5:22:55 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: blam
All cultures are equal.

Who are we to judge?

Multi-cultural ism should be our goal.

(Insert additional Leftist homilys here)

The barbarism needed to commit an act such as this is beyond the capacity of modern society to all to fester.

The West has been given a similar warning, in no uncertain terms, and the Left is doing its best to come back to their old boyfriend called anti-Americanism, be it from within or without.

Cheers,

knewshound

Latest piece; Queer Eye for a Dictator Guy
46 posted on 02/07/2007 5:24:25 PM PST by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: IronJack
I see it as an artifact of tribal customs, something this woman and her lowlife "lover" knew well. They knew what they were risking -- they had been TOLD what would happen if the affair continued.

How multicultural of you.

47 posted on 02/07/2007 5:25:06 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: IronJack

Of course not, but murder isn't the answer, at least not here. Seems to be the tradition over there.


48 posted on 02/07/2007 5:26:15 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: clinkclink
Do you have sisters?

No. But if I did, I would hope I would not sit by and let them be used by some gutter trash. I owe my family more than that. So would she.

I hope you dont't have daughters.

See above.

49 posted on 02/07/2007 5:26:35 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
You have any idea what it's like to live in a society where a wife doesn't produce a son? Life may have been hell for her.

I'm suprrised she left her husband, and that he didn't leave her or he kill her first. (No offense if the husband is a good guy...) We have no idea what that woman's marriage was like.

I DO NOT condone adultery in any circumstances, but the oppression women live in in those villages is often unbearable.

50 posted on 02/07/2007 5:27:14 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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