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Christian soldiers take a beating over battle with Moors
Times Online ^ | 10/23/06 | Thomas Catan

Posted on 10/22/2006 7:47:28 PM PDT by Pikamax

Christian soldiers take a beating over battle with Moors From Thomas Catan in Calpe

CHRISTIAN and Muslim armies clash in Spain today in a titanic battle for control of the Costa Blanca, just miles from the tourist towers of Benidorm. After a spectacular Moorish landing on the beaches the Christians will emerge victorious, as they did in Calpe in 1240. But there will be no crowing, and the end of the “battle” will be accompanied by speeches about civilisations living together in harmony.

Welcome to Spain in the era of cultural nervousness.

Throughout the country towns and villages are toning down traditional fiestas of “Moors and Christians” to avoid offending Muslims.

The fiestas — some dating back hundreds of years — celebrate the final “reconquest” of Spain by Christian armies from the Moors in 1492 after 781 years of Muslim rule. Villagers divide into rival “armies” of Moors and Christians to re-enact the conquest of their towns. But rows in Denmark and Germany over the depiction of the Prophet Muhammad, and the Madrid train bombings in March 2004, have caused Spanish towns to think again. Several have stopped parading giant effigies of Muhammad.

“If the fiestas culminated in the burning or blowing up of a figure, that bit has been suppressed, out of fear, out of respect, out of everything,” says Xavi Pascual, the organiser of the fiesta in the Valencian town of Bocairent. “But the important thing is that the structure has not been modified.”

In some instances, however, the fiesta has changed radically and some Muslim leaders have called for them to be banned, saying they were outdated and triumphalist celebrations with no place in modern Spain.

“For the sake of peaceful coexistence, they should disappear,” said Félix Herrero, imam of the mosque in Málaga and the president of the Spanish Federation of Islamic Religious Entities.

Other leaders have taken a softer line, asking only that events should avoid purposely offending Muslims. Nevertheless, Malik Ruiz, the president of the Islamic Commission in Spain, said Spaniards should “not touch some issues that cause visceral reactions”, such as the portrayal of Muhammad.

Conservative politicians have decried the changes as self-censorship. The opposition Popular Party has even asked Unesco to declare them a “masterpiece of theoral and intangible heritage”.

In Valencia, however, many are dismayed at the controversy. “There are many Muslims living in all of these towns and none of them has any problem with the party,” Señor Pascual says. “There are no victors or vanquished. Moors and Christians always end up having dinner together.”

The organiser of one fiesta, in Jávea, is a Palestinian-born Muslim. He said: “My family and I have participated for more than 20 years without the slightest religious or political problem,” Khader Ibeid wrote in a letter to El País newspaper. Calls for fiestas to be scrapped were a barbarity that would stoke resentment.

Spain is not used to worrying about such cultural sensibilities, having had a largely homogeneous Christian population since 1492. But with hundreds of thousands of Muslims from North Africa now settling, that is changing. Partygoers at the three-day Calpe fiesta simply want a good time. The processional entry on Saturday night was good-natured, with the focus on dressing-up. Many towns find that more volunteers want to be Moors — they have the better costumes.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andalusia; christians; dhimmi; dhimmitude; eurabia; islam; moopslosemoopslose; muslims; pc; rop; spain

1 posted on 10/22/2006 7:47:29 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Spain, the country that isn't afraid to tick off animal rights activists by throwing goats out of townhall towers (yes, they really do that in a few towns) or kill bulls in the ring, is afraid to upset Muslims.

Where has Spanish bravado gone?


2 posted on 10/22/2006 7:51:27 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Pikamax

The Spanish people deserve everything they get. They will always be known as the first cut and runners.


3 posted on 10/22/2006 7:55:07 PM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat ("I ain't got a dime but what i got is mine. I ain't rich but Lord I'm free." George Strait)
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To: Pikamax
"For the sake of peaceful coexistence, they should disappear,” said Félix Herrero, imam of the mosque in Málaga and the president of the Spanish Federation of Islamic Religious Entities."

For the sake of peaceful coexistence Felix Herrero, imam of the mosque in Malaga should disappear. There!! Fixed that misquote.

4 posted on 10/22/2006 8:00:05 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: vladimir998
Where has Spanish bravado gone?

The people with all the balls emigrated to the New World to find their fortunes. At least one of them was Vincente Fox's ancestors.

5 posted on 10/22/2006 8:03:53 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: Pikamax

IT'S MOOPS!


6 posted on 10/22/2006 8:04:37 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Normal people would kill to save their kids. Muslim fascists raise their kids to die killing others.)
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To: Centurion2000

Many did, yes. But what about those brave fellows who fought the Spanish Civil War against communists? Where are their sons or grandsons? Have they all grown up to be cowards? How sad for Spain.


7 posted on 10/22/2006 8:05:51 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: L.N. Smithee

LOLOL. I knew the first obligatory George Costanza reference was going to show up.


8 posted on 10/22/2006 8:08:10 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Pikamax

Good Grief!

9 posted on 10/22/2006 8:09:22 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Pikamax
Wow! Lets suppress historical evidence that Muslim invaders can actually be beaten back! That'll show'em!!!

Since the liberation of Spain from Muslim infidels was a turning point in the historic sequence of events that led up to the formation of the civilized west as it has been known to date: I would suggest that if the Spanish are too timid to celebrate this magnificent achievement that we Americans take up the slack for them!

Does anyone on this forum belong to a likely acting troupe?
10 posted on 10/22/2006 8:32:17 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: vladimir998
Under the socialist government, they proposed giving great apes human rights. So the current government is rather environmentalist.
11 posted on 10/22/2006 8:52:06 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( The r/l thing is Japanese, not pan-Asian, and, in any case, making a mockery of it is rude.)
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To: vladimir998
Where has Spanish bravado gone?

To bull crap.

12 posted on 10/22/2006 9:10:32 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: vladimir998

El Cid is spinning in his grave.


13 posted on 10/22/2006 9:17:01 PM PDT by guinnessman
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To: Pikamax

btt


14 posted on 10/22/2006 9:20:07 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: guinnessman
El Cid is spinning in his grave.

Probably not. If he actually was a Christian then he's with the Lord now and can rest assured that all things are working for the good of those who love the Lord. As such, he probably isn't too worried.

If the saints suffer because they are no longer in any sense a part of the majority or a part of a majority that feels that their faith is a valid basis for works––their their suffering (if for the Gospel of God) will be for their ultimate glory.

A concept El Cid would have well understood in life even as he sought to be someone to take a stand against foreign invaders who did not know God.
15 posted on 10/22/2006 9:49:29 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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