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To: familyop; TommyDale
TMZ has learned

Yep.  That's admissible in court. /NOT 

Do you understand the concept of "chain of evidence?"   How about the simple idea of having a witness or source that can be cross examined?  It's really not that hard.  Everything out there so far cited as "proof" appears to be worthless.

Think both Richard Jewell and O J Simpson.  I don't care whether they are guilty or innocent.  I care about what you can prove.  TMZ is a BS source and 100% worthless, IMO.  That is not something you can challenge.  I specifically challenge you on that point.  Cite me instances where they have been proven right?  I have found none, admittedly with minimal searching.  I afford them about the same credibility I do to Democrat Underground.  DU is questionable for ideological bias.  TMZ, so far as I can tell, is simply questionable.  I have never found anything that checked out from them.  That's not a lot of instances, but it is a pattern for the ones I've bothered to check out.

So far as has been proved Mel Gibson said nothing that night to anyone.  Prove me wrong.  Something that would stand up to even simple scrutiny, let alone a court of law.

Otherwise we're wasting our time.

Again, that has zero value for the actual guilt or innocence (or sleaziness) of the folks involved.  It only has an affect on what we can prove.

Do you understand the difference?  Do you understand that, with evidence, I'm not opposed to your conclusion?  I ask only that minor details be addressed, like evidence.  I'm sorry if that seems unreasonable to you.

57 posted on 10/19/2006 5:44:22 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phsstpok

You already specifically challenged someone on the contents of the report. Hearsay is admissible in civil courts. Getting a copy of a police report is no crime, AFAIK. TMZ is showing a copy, and the same news company probably has hardcopy.

* I am not an attorney. If readers of this message want legal advice, they should seek properly licensed attorneys.

But I appears that you are an attorney (and if so, one I would not hire).


63 posted on 10/19/2006 5:55:39 PM PDT by familyop (Roma est perdita)
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To: Phsstpok

...it appears, even.


66 posted on 10/19/2006 5:56:49 PM PDT by familyop (Roma est perdita)
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To: Phsstpok; TommyDale; Wormwood

Follow the link (from the article I posted) to TMZ's photocopy (PDF) of the report. Mel's comment as quoted by the police witness is there.

"four pages of the original report prepared by
the arresting officer in the case"
http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/gibson_wm_docs_072806.pdf

Even when moved, this goalpost tends to snap back into place, doesn't it.


68 posted on 10/19/2006 6:01:58 PM PDT by familyop (Roma est perdita)
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