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Real Bad ID
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 10, 2006 | Wall Street Journal

Posted on 10/10/2006 4:21:38 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It's unfair to say that the Republican Congress has done nothing on immigration. In one respect, according to a new report from state officials, Congress made matters worse.

In May of last year Congress passed the Real ID Act at the urging of House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R., Wis.). It was yet another border-security measure, intended to thwart illegal immigration by denying drivers' licenses to undocumented aliens. President Bush signed the legislation in hopes that Republicans then would meet him halfway on comprehensive immigration reform. Didn't happen. We now know that the Tom Tancredo "enforcement first" crowd has no intention of ever compromising with Mr. Bush.

We doubt Mexicans willing to risk their lives crossing hundreds of miles of desert on foot care much about not being able to obtain a drivers' license once here. Nor is deputizing Department of Motor Vehicle officials going to force many illegal aliens already in the country to return home. The most likely result is more unlicensed and uninsured motorists, which means more dangerous U.S. roads.

Real ID gets worse. According to a new analysis from the National Governors Association, the National Conference of State Legislatures and the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, the law is also going to be costly and burdensome.

Under Real ID, all 245 million existing holders of drivers' licenses must apply -- in person -- for new, standardized identification cards. The report says that state motor vehicle department staffs will need to be more than doubled, and workers will have to be trained to verify copies of original birth certificates, Social Security cards and the like. Misplaced your Social Security card? Have fun getting a new one. We're pretty sure that voters don't elect Republicans to increase the size of their already bloated state bureaucracies.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; birthcertificate; bordersecurity; bureaucracy; driverslicense; illegalaliens; mexico; mva; nationalid; realid; republicans; socialsecuritycard; tomtancredo
WSJ's take on our new National ID card.
1 posted on 10/10/2006 4:21:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; ...

PING!


2 posted on 10/10/2006 4:22:46 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It's not technically a national ID card, but I'm sure many conservatives would gladly go through the hassle if it means weeding out the people who don't belong here.


3 posted on 10/10/2006 4:24:33 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

And the LEO said to John Q. Public, "show me your microchip".


4 posted on 10/10/2006 4:28:40 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Sometimes I think the MSM are afraid the rats could never win another election without the dead and illegals voting democrat.
5 posted on 10/10/2006 4:29:50 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Voters prefer the cost of verifying ID to the cost of providing illegals free education and medical care while many of them plot our destruction.
6 posted on 10/10/2006 4:30:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
And the LEO said to John Q. Public, "show me your microchip".

Which is what it will take to fix the crises that will develop if this problem is allowed to get worse. Meanwhile, if it's chipping you're concerned about, then you're better off expending your efforts fighting NAIS.

7 posted on 10/10/2006 4:32:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

It has come to the point that the liberals actually count on widespread voter fraud.


8 posted on 10/10/2006 4:32:57 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: Carry_Okie

What's NAIS?


9 posted on 10/10/2006 4:36:58 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"We doubt Mexicans willing to risk their lives crossing hundreds of miles of desert on foot care much about not being able to obtain a drivers' license once here."

Really.....why then has Gil Cedillo proposed a drivers license for illegals bill on 8 separate occasions here in California? Promising to do so again next year, after the latest failure. Somebody must care!!!!
10 posted on 10/10/2006 4:37:58 PM PDT by caresistance
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To: caresistance

I now filter out any WSJ commentary on the ILLEGAL ALIEN situation. Sometimes lately its like reading a lying DNC talking points memo.


11 posted on 10/10/2006 4:39:56 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: caresistance

The 19 9-11 terrorists, who were here illegally (overstayed visas) sure wanted and got numerous drivers licenses.


12 posted on 10/10/2006 4:41:34 PM PDT by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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To: snowrip
It has come to the point that the liberals actually count on widespread voter fraud.

IMHO, RINOs rely on it more than liberals.

13 posted on 10/10/2006 4:44:18 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
National Animal Identification System. Basically a government mandate (without providing funding) that ALL livestock have a Radio Frequency Identifier (RFID) chip in them by 2008. This includes every cow, horse, sheep, goat, pig, chicken, turkey, duck, and llama. There will be severe penalties for non-compliance. Not yet spelled out what they are, but they're proposing multi thousand $ fines per violation.

So when Granny doesn't get her ole egg layer chipped, and doesn't have the $ for the fine, then send in Barney Fife's SWAT team to take Granny down!

Free Republic search page on NAIS

14 posted on 10/10/2006 4:47:01 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Maybe Granny and the hen could use the same chip.


15 posted on 10/10/2006 5:00:04 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I am a long time subscriber to the WSJ. They have consistently taken a liberal view on immigration, both legal and illegal. I do not think they have had any writer in their editorial pages that is tough on illegals.
16 posted on 10/10/2006 5:07:30 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
WSJ's take on our new National ID card.

They're probably right. But I remain convinced that their stand on illegal immigration comes from their having big lawns.

17 posted on 10/10/2006 5:11:21 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Ben Ficklin
What's NAIS?

Oh boy. If you are concerned about chipping, you are in for a shock.

This is the foundation for the tracking database they'll need.

18 posted on 10/10/2006 5:14:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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To: Carry_Okie
This is the foundation for the tracking database they'll need.

Which has caused more human deaths in the last 25 years: all livestock-borne diseases combined, or diseases which are spread human-to-human via intimate or blood contact? It used to be that humans with certain diseases were required to be quarantined. If one's concern is with controlling disease, does it make more sense to put in an unprecedented program to track countless millions of animals, or to follow precedent in tracking and quarantining a much smaller number of diseased people?

19 posted on 10/10/2006 5:25:14 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Carry_Okie

They are building a border fence I hope the make a full one. With any luck we can finally get our coubtry back from these people that have all but invaded us.


20 posted on 10/10/2006 5:28:14 PM PDT by SherrieG
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To: supercat
You won't get any argument out of me that NAIS is an abomination designed to put small domestic producers out of business while building the infrastructure of tyranny.

I assume yours was a rhetorical question?

21 posted on 10/10/2006 5:28:15 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I assume yours was a rhetorical question?

Well, I assume your answer as to which makes more sense would probably match mine. I do think it's a fair argument to bring up, though, and I didn't see things put in those terms elsewhere.

I would expect that owners of large herds of cattle would probably want to chip their animals to aid in tracking changes in weight, food consumption, etc. Someone with three cows, however, may prefer other means of identifying them (e.g. this one's Bessie, this one's Danielle, and this one's Phyllis). Such a person would have little use for an implanted microchip (except, perhaps, as a slight anti-theft measure).

I can think of plenty of bad uses for the NAIS database; it's hard to think of good uses that couldn't be accomplished just as well by letting people keep track of their own livestock.

22 posted on 10/10/2006 5:40:27 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I am acquainted, to some degree, with NAIS, I just didn't recognize the acronym.


23 posted on 10/10/2006 6:12:33 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: samadams2000
I now filter out any WSJ commentary on the ILLEGAL ALIEN situation

I do too. It's gotten to the point where I can read the lead-off paragraph and I can write the rest of the story/editorial.

For purposes of your blood pressure, it's best to ignore the WSJ's "news" pages and go right to the editorial pages and the features sections. Your time is wasted on their left-leaning "news" stories.

The amazing thing is that those liberals who edit the news stories don't see how they are damaging the paper long-term with their crap.

24 posted on 10/10/2006 7:32:33 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

I should add that you should also ignore anything on the editorial page that mentions Mexican labor, undocumented workers, the like. Again, think about your blood pressure.


25 posted on 10/10/2006 7:34:31 PM PDT by OldPossum
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