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A true blowout is now possible
RealClearPolitics ^ | 6 October 2006 | Suart Rothenberg

Posted on 10/08/2006 11:26:23 AM PDT by YaYa123

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To: Vision

That depends on which side you're on, I think.


81 posted on 10/08/2006 1:01:25 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: MineralMan

You're unhappy that a 2-time winner and staunch conservative is a candidate?


82 posted on 10/08/2006 1:01:50 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: YaYa123

Incumbent Rule Redux

Time to revisit "incumbent rule," thanks to Mickey Kaus who highlighted this observation last week by Michael Barone's column in U.S. News & World Report:

It may be time to revise one of the cardinal rules of poll interpretation--that an incumbent is not going to get a higher percentage in an election than he got in the polls. Lieberman was clocked at 41 and 45 percent in recent Quinnipiac polls; he got 48 percent in the primary election. The assumption has been that voters know an incumbent, and any voter who is not for him will vote against him. But the numbers suggest that Lieberman's campaigning over the last weekend may have boosted his numbers-or that the good feelings many Democratic voters have had for him over the years may have overcome their opposition to his stands on Iraq and foreign policy.

I wrote about the incumbent rule quite a bit in the run-up to the 2004 elections (especially here and here), applied it the polls in Ohio and then considered how the rule came up short (here and here).  Reconsidering the rule has been buried on my MP to-do list for some time, and while I lack the data to provide conclusive answers, today is as good as any to think out loud about some of the key issues involved.

The best known empirical assessment of this "cardinal" rule was written by Chicago pollster Nick Panagakis for the Polling Report in 1989.  He gathered 155 final polls spanning the period from the 1970s to 1988 (though most came from 1986 and 1988) and found that for 82% of the polls, the majority of the undecided broke to the challenger.  Note, that this statistic tells us how many polls showed undecideds breaking for challengers, not the proportion of the undecided voters that broke that way.

In September 2004, MyDD's Chris Bowers persuaded Panagakis to share his database and updated it with polls conducted from 1992 to early 2004.  Bowers took the process a step further, calculating the average split of the undecided vote over all the elections.  He noticed something obviously important in retrospect.  The incumbent rule seemed to be weakening (although he had little data from 1996):  80% of the undecided vote broke to challengers in the poll Panagakis collected between 1976 and 1988, but only 60% went to the challenger in the polls Bowers gathered between 1992 and the summer of 2004.   And challengers did worst of all in the polls in 2002 and the spring/summer of 2004 (42% to the incumbent, 58% to the challenger).

I have not attempted the same sort of comprehensive review of all of final polls from the fall of 2004, but on the final national presidential surveys an average of roughly 40% of the undecided vote broke toward challenger Kerry.  And the break of undecided voters in battleground states looks closer to 50/50.  "According to the exit polls," as Slate's David Kenner and Will Saletan pointed out, "Bush got 46 percent of those who made up their minds in the last week of the campaign and 44 percent of those who made up their minds in the final three days."

One question I have wondered about is whether the apparent weakening between the 1980s and 1990s could have been an artifact of the changes in the nature of pre-election polling or the particular races included in the database.  For example, did the 1990s see more polling in contests for Senate, Governor and local offices and less in presidential races?   Did long term changes in the timing or volume of pre-election polling affect the statistics? 

The more important question is why undecided voters have stopped breaking toward challengers in the final week of the campaign.  There are many theories. 

  • One possibility is that post 9/11 politics makes voters more reluctant to take a chance on challengers.   Are undecided voters more averse to change given the current emphasis on war and terrorism in our campaigns?   Some of the high profile Senate and Gubernatorial races saw a break favoring in incumbents in 2002 (though the incumbents were not exclusively Republican).  Consider also this bit of purely anecdotal evidence from MyDD's Matt Stoller:

I phone-banked a bunch of undecideds who in all likelihood flipped to Lieberman in the waning days of the campaign.  "I hate the war, I hate Bush, but I'm just not sure we can pull out right now" was the way they put it.

  • There is also the alternative theory Barone articulated in his column last week:

The left is noisy, assertive, in your face, quick to declare its passionate support. Voters on the right and in the center may be quieter but then stubbornly resist the instruction of the mainstream media and show up on Election Day and vote Republican, as they did in 2004, or for Lieberman, as some apparently did this week.

  • Or could this change reflect a change in the nature of campaigning?  Negative television ads were a rarity in the 1970s, but have grown increasingly commonplace in the years since.  Has the willingness of incumbents to "go negative" limited the ability of challengers to make the race a referendum on the incumbent and shifted the attention of late breaking voters to the alleged shortcomings of the challengers? 

Unfortunately, I have no answers tonight.  What is clear is that past trends are not much help in interpreting the pre-election polls of 2006.  How the undecideds will "break"in the final days of the 2006 campaign is anyone's guess.

 

 

83 posted on 10/08/2006 1:03:08 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: MineralMan

IMO Santorum is being thrown out because of Republicans having hissys not that people are that crazy for Casey.

Its time to put aside our disagreements and vote to keep this seat.


84 posted on 10/08/2006 1:04:27 PM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: MineralMan
I'm sorry, I can't compete with this level of wit.

I'll see you on the 8th.
85 posted on 10/08/2006 1:05:02 PM PDT by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)
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To: msnimje
People have to actually get out of bed and go vote.

And, pray for severe weather on Election day in: Kansas City, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Nashville and Memphis.
86 posted on 10/08/2006 1:05:25 PM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: MineralMan
You said: "Remember....VOTE ON NOVEMBER 7, 2006. Not on the 2nd. Not on the 3rd. On the 7th. It's a Tuesday."

I said: "A lot of states have early voting. Get with the times, Man."

Where were results discussed? You must love being an instigator. Are you an evolution thread regular?

87 posted on 10/08/2006 1:06:00 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: NewLand

"You're unhappy that a 2-time winner and staunch conservative is a candidate?"

I am. I would argue with you regarding his conservatism, however. His endorsement of Specter gives me pause. He did win twice. It appears he will not have a threepeat, however.


88 posted on 10/08/2006 1:07:26 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: MineralMan

You see...that's why I'm not paying any attention to your predictions. You don't even know what day the election is. These elections are always on the first Tuesday of November, you see. Have been for a long, long time.
 

Apparently you don't either. They are held on the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November. An election can never be on November 1st.  It can only be on November 2nd through the 8th.  It has been this way since 1845.

 

 

89 posted on 10/08/2006 1:08:15 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: MineralMan

Since Rick is the incumbent, in that case it was a given that he would be the candidate (unless he withdrew or was forced out in a primary). With the open seat in Minnesota I too feel like an opportunity was lost. Not knowing their politics too well, let me ask you, who could have done better than Mark Kennedy?


90 posted on 10/08/2006 1:08:15 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Vision

See post 89, I forgot to include you in it.


91 posted on 10/08/2006 1:09:47 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: NewLand

"Where were results discussed?"

The original poster, who offered to discuss the results of the election on November 3rd obviously was discussing results, since we were talking about who would win the election in Maryland.

Until the election, there's really nothing substantive to discuss, you see.

I'll bet you knew that the election was on the 7th, right? I'll bet you're planning to discuss the results on the 8th, right?


92 posted on 10/08/2006 1:09:58 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: HawaiianGecko

You're correct. This year, it is the 7th. I do know what date the election falls on in 2006. You are correct, though...I did err when I said it was always the first Tuesday. It is most often on the first Tuesday, though, and this year, it is certainly on the first Tuesday in November.


93 posted on 10/08/2006 1:12:12 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Gotcha. Are you in Hawaii? You were an east coaster right? How do you like it?


94 posted on 10/08/2006 1:13:18 PM PDT by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)
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To: txrangerette

"Not knowing their politics too well, let me ask you, who could have done better than Mark Kennedy?"

Tough question, really. Pawlenty might have been able to take it, but he was loathe to give up his current post. Michelle Bachmann might possible have been a better choice, but would have struggled as well.

It's pretty much a Democrat Senate seat here in Minnesota. One Democrat...one Republican. It would have been difficult for a Republican to have won the seat...no question. Kennedy's not doing so well.


95 posted on 10/08/2006 1:14:35 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: MineralMan
The only poll that counts is the one taken in the ballot box.

Until the election, there's really nothing substantive to discuss, you see.

Agreed. That includes Santorum.

96 posted on 10/08/2006 1:15:00 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: NewLand

Hmm...well, the order of the day seems to be making predictions about the upcoming election. We'll all find out, though, on the 8th.

I'm sure there will be many surprises. Free Republic will be a very interesting place that day, one way or another.


97 posted on 10/08/2006 1:16:36 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: kinoxi

You only win battles by attacking, not be defending - the Repubs always defend, the Dems attack.

We have got to go on the attack, go after the Democrat record on morality - Barney Frank and Stubs or whatever his name is.

And somebody better tell Bush to shut up about citizenship for illegals in America - AT LEAST UNTIL AFTER THE DAMN ELECTIONS!!!


98 posted on 10/08/2006 1:18:12 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Vision
No, I live in Missouri. I have a house in Ka'anapali, hence, my affinity to the name. No, the furthest east I have actually lived (domiciled) is Pittsburg, PA.  Though it felt like I lived all over the country for 30 years. (Heavy traveler, out 4-5 days a week)

 

99 posted on 10/08/2006 1:19:04 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: HawaiianGecko

What's your advice for east coasters interested in Hawaii?


100 posted on 10/08/2006 1:20:32 PM PDT by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)
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