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It's time for a full scale congressional investigation
Congress.org ^ | September 9, 2006

Posted on 09/10/2006 7:02:08 AM PDT by SheLion

Jobs are being eliminated by special interest activist organizations

Now that air quality test results by the likes of the American Cancer Society are proving that the secondhand smoke kills argument is completely fabricated.

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2004/04/american-cancer-society-test-results.html

It's time for lawmakers to investigate why this fallacy has permeated the local government debate.....and specifically who is funding and spreading that false information.

http://www.rwjf.org/about/founder.jhtml

The "who" is in large part the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. And since RWJF is an affiliate of the Johnson & Johnson Company (the manufacturer of competing nicotine product interests Nicoderm & Nicoderm CQ), it stands to reason that the role of RWJF's funding of smoking ban efforts is for their own financial benefit.....not for health concerns as some would have you believe.

http://www.alza.com/alza/tl_1991
http://www.alza.com/alza/tl_2001

At the very least, because of the appearance of impropriety, and the fact that tens of thousands of people in the hospitality and ventilation industries are being negatively impacted by these special interest funded smoking bans;

http://www.smokersclubinc.com/banloss3.htm

congressional hearings at the state and federal levels should convene immediately before any future consideration of smoking bans at any level (city, county, state, or federal).

And should it be discovered that there is indeed a conflict of interest, the culpable party (RWJF) should be forced to compensate those of us negatively affected by the false data which resulted in arbitrary and unnecessary smoking ban laws.

Clearing the Air encourages all hospitality associations, ventilation / filtration manufacturers, gaming associations, and even the tobacco manufacturers nationwide to demand such an investigation......one powerful voice in unison, cannot go ignored.


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1 posted on 09/10/2006 7:02:11 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; CSM; ...

Slowly but surely the truth is unveiled! They can run but they can't hide their lies forever.

We are not the easily swayed quiet little bumpkins that the anti's had hoped we would become!


2 posted on 09/10/2006 7:04:14 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

It won't matter. They have a group of people they're allowed to hate, and the facts will not get in their way.


3 posted on 09/10/2006 7:06:50 AM PDT by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: SheLion

OK....now try to tell that to Mayor Bloomingidiot.


4 posted on 09/10/2006 7:07:35 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (NY Slimes the paper of record for OBL!)
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To: All

American Cancer Society catches the Surgeon General in an outright lie...

July 1, 2006

The Surgeon General showed up very regal looking to provide a press release rehashing the tired old argument that secondhand smoke is deadly and must be banned. And with his next statement:

Separate "no smoking" sections DO NOT protect you from secondhand smoke. Neither does filtering the air or opening a window.

It seemed a feable attempt to pre-empt any action short of a total smoking ban.....as if to confirm that pro-smoking ban activists' credibility in the public is failing miserably.

Well I am sorry to report that the American Cancer Society conducted air quality testing at several smoking venues which prove the Sugeon General flat out wrong.

 

 

Take a look at the above table, do you see the 20 reading? It represents a restaurant with an enclosed (separate) smoking area. And the 20 is actually 20 nanograms, a nanogram is 10 (-9).

So......let me put a number to that nanogram for you: 0.000000020 of a gram/cubic meter was the secondhand smoke concentration for the restaurant with the enclosed smoking area. Which is 25,000 times SAFER than OSHA regulations for the secondhand smoke measured airborne component. Thus the American Cancer Society destroys the Surgeon General's and RWJF (Nicoderm) funded James Repace argument that seperation and ventilation don't work.

The Surgeon General can stomp his feet, and scream at the top of his lungs...like a little Napoleon "....because I said so....." all he wants. But it doesn't change the facts........and the facts show he is telling a bold faced lie to the American public.
Read

5 posted on 09/10/2006 7:07:42 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Humble Servant
A class action lawsuit that bankrupts all these nanny organizations would be sweet, wouldn't it? It is easy to show the economic damage they cause.
6 posted on 09/10/2006 7:08:13 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: SheLion

I sold a bar last year and moved further out into Harris County, purchasing a piece of land with a building.
In remodeling the building, I added a 1,000 sq ft covered patio....in anticipation that one of these days, Houston's smoking ordinance would catch up with the county (where there is no such thing as of now). Recently, the Houston Resturant Association began lobbying the Houston City Council to expand the smoking ban and eliminate smoking
in resturant bars. Was it for health reasons? No, it was because resturants that don't have bars are losing business
to resturants that DO have bars (where smoking is permitted). They are also losing business to resturants in the county. Why drive 20 miles for a meal in a place you can't smoke? Mark my words, Harris County
unincorporated areas will be next!


7 posted on 09/10/2006 7:10:42 AM PDT by larrysh
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To: SheLion

puff(the new bump)


8 posted on 09/10/2006 7:11:52 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: SheLion

Too bad nobody in government gives a damn. They have given the sheeple a class of people to chit on while drawing attention away from their own ineptitude.


9 posted on 09/10/2006 7:22:01 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: SheLion

...speaking of drug companies, how many people are killed by legal drugs each year?


10 posted on 09/10/2006 7:22:44 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Humble Servant
They have a group of people they're allowed to hate, and the facts will not get in their way.

Yep. Just ask Harry Ainslinger. The guy built an empire on the same principal.

11 posted on 09/10/2006 7:24:08 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: SheLion
I don't care if there is scientific proof that tobacco smoke is as healthy as mother's milk. It irritates my lungs, nose and eyes. It is very unpleasant and disgusting for most non-smokers. For a smoker to inflict it on us unwillingly is unspeakably rude, and really little short of assault and battery. I will always be in favor of smoking bans in most public places. You people are fighting a losing battle.

-ccm

12 posted on 09/10/2006 7:24:53 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: JasonC; Humble Servant
A class action lawsuit that bankrupts all these nanny organizations would be sweet, wouldn't it? It is easy to show the economic damage they cause.

It would be wonderful!

The very sad thing of this is:  when Big Tobacco fell to their knees in front of the Attorney Generals, it wasn't Big Tobacco paying the billions to the state.  It's the SMOKERS!  Each time smokers buy and pay taxes on their states cigarettes, that tax money goes to the highly paid professional anti-smokers in that state.

The smokers are paying for all of this control, bans, and restrictions that is put upon them.  Sad?  You sure know it!

And Big Pharm knows that the more guilt they put on smokers and the more smokers try to quit something they have enjoyed for years, then Big Pharm will reap the benefits of the money smokers spend buying that gum and that patch.

There is a wicked agenda behind everything today.  I take nothing at face value!



13 posted on 09/10/2006 7:27:09 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

You may be right, but I'll bet there are literally hundreds of studies on second hand smoke if you knew where to look for them. It's always a possibility that J&J was trying to enhance business. It's also a possibility that they simply ran a flawed study. Take a look at the left. Studies or polls or group opinions on stuff are hard to get right. They screw their polls up every two years, which are supposedly run using the lastest methods.


14 posted on 09/10/2006 7:27:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: larrysh
I sold a bar last year and moved further out into Harris County, purchasing a piece of land with a building.
In remodeling the building, I added a 1,000 sq ft covered patio....in anticipation that one of these days, Houston's smoking ordinance would catch up with the county (where there is no such thing as of now). Recently, the Houston Resturant Association began lobbying the Houston City Council to expand the smoking ban and eliminate smoking
in resturant bars. Was it for health reasons? No, it was because resturants that don't have bars are losing business
to resturants that DO have bars (where smoking is permitted). They are also losing business to resturants in the county. Why drive 20 miles for a meal in a place you can't smoke? Mark my words, Harris County
unincorporated areas will be next!

Sorry about your loss.  We have tried and tried to tell everyone and warn everyone.  I guess people just think "it can't happen to them."  Then when it DOES happen to them, it's too late to turn back.


15 posted on 09/10/2006 7:29:58 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: tiki

...speaking of drug companies, how many people are killed by legal drugs each year?

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year

This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.

click here

- Big Pharm may sing the blues about research costs, but the taxpayers via our government fund a good big of the basic research. The fact is that the pharmaceutical industry is the most profitable (and most powerful) industry in the world. The medicalizing of every conceivable part of the human condition is only increasing the profit and power of the pharmaceuticals, since for every new "disease," there is--natch--a new drug.

Further, the pharms virtually own the AMA, and they are essentially partners with the U.S. government (and public partners with the WHO). Something like half the panelists at the FDA who approve new drugs are financially connected with Big Pharm. The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (biggest single shareholder in Johnson & Johnson) is a partner with the CDC in the war against smoking, and many of the biggest pharms DONATE MONEY directly to the CDC via the Foundation for the Centers for Disease Control. In fact, pharms constitute the majority of these donors. Don't you think these donations would influence the public health policy of the CDC? Of course they do!

Those who think the tobacco industry is the evil empire haven't taken a good look at Big Drugs.

-Wanda Hamilton – 4-24-02

Medical Liars - Do It For The Money

The American Heart Association

Admits It Deliberately Lied

To The American Public

Don't Trust Your Doctor


16 posted on 09/10/2006 7:35:33 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: ccmay
I don't smoke - I HATE cigarette smoke.

I do not favor smoking bans .

However, your tagline shows you to be one of the biggest hypocrits of all time!!!

17 posted on 09/10/2006 7:36:06 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: ccmay
I will always be in favor of smoking bans in most public places.

It would actually be much easier on you and everyody else if you just wouldn't go where people are smoking.

Or is that just too much to ask?

18 posted on 09/10/2006 7:38:22 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: SheLion

"And should it be discovered that there is indeed a conflict of interest, the culpable party (RWJF) should be forced to compensate those of us negatively affected by the false data which resulted in arbitrary and unnecessary smoking ban laws"


This is from RWJF's web page:

link:http://www.rwjf.org/applications/whatwedontfund.jhtml

We do not fund the following types of projects or activities:

Ongoing general operating expenses or existing deficits
Endowment or capital costs
Basic biomedical research
Research on drug therapies or devices
International programs
*Direct support of individuals*
*LOBBYING OF ANY KIND*

What We Fund
http://www.rwjf.org/applications/whatwefund.jsp

Addiction Prevention & Treatment
Building Human Capital
Childhood Obesity
Disparities
Health Insurance Coverage
Nursing
Pioneer
Public Health
Quality Health Care
*TOBACCO USE AND EXPOSURE*
Vulnerable Populations


Talk about speaking out of both sides of their mouths....

It appears there are contradictions aplenty here.



19 posted on 09/10/2006 7:40:15 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: ccmay
I don't care if there is scientific proof that tobacco smoke is as healthy as mother's milk. It irritates my lungs, nose and eyes. It is very unpleasant and disgusting for most non-smokers. For a smoker to inflict it on us unwillingly is unspeakably rude, and really little short of assault and battery. I will always be in favor of smoking bans in most public places. You people are fighting a losing battle.

Well, aren't you just the sweetest Conservative that is gracing the grounds of Arizona!  They sure are lucky to have you.

What else can't you stand that you want government to go in and take away from others just so the world will rotate on your ass?  Tell us about it.

Your way or no way, eh?  Well, my little CONSERVATIVE SWEETIE LIVING IN ARIZONA, the world does NOT rotate on your ASS!

Get the picture???????

You pathetic fascism STINKS!  Go over to the DU boards will they will welcome you with foul odors and open arm pits.

20 posted on 09/10/2006 7:40:54 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

"It's time for a full scale congressional investigation"


I agree with that, but I don't think the gov is going to want to wean itself off the tobacco teat just yet.


21 posted on 09/10/2006 7:42:56 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: DoughtyOne
You may be right, but I'll bet there are literally hundreds of studies on second hand smoke if you knew where to look for them. It's always a possibility that J&J was trying to enhance business. It's also a possibility that they simply ran a flawed study. Take a look at the left. Studies or polls or group opinions on stuff are hard to get right. They screw their polls up every two years, which are supposedly run using the lastest methods.

Oh we know where to look alright!

And how about the American Cancer Society making a "mistake" on their 53,000 deaths from smoking and second hand smoke?  Swept under the rug, right?  You probably can't find it today, but WE have it!

And the ORNL Research Labs in Tennessee did extensive research on second hand smoke, and found it to be virtually harmless.

And the judge who did his own 5 year research on second hand smoke............he threw it out of court!

Federal Court Rules Against EPA on Secondhand Smoke

22 posted on 09/10/2006 7:44:54 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: elkfersupper

"Or is that just too much to ask?"

It must be. You may as well ask for an arm and a leg, too.

Until we bend to threir will, there will be no compromise.

They simply refuse to offer one.


23 posted on 09/10/2006 7:46:20 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: KeepUSfree; ccmay
However, your tagline shows you to be one of the biggest hypocrits of all time!!!

Hey! And we have to claim this bag as our OWN?  I truly believe ccmay is on the wrong board!

24 posted on 09/10/2006 7:46:22 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion; butternut_squash_bisque

puffing


25 posted on 09/10/2006 7:47:24 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: elkfersupper; ccmay
It would actually be much easier on you and everyody else if you just wouldn't go where people are smoking.

Or is that just too much to ask?

OH NO! ccmay wants the world to rotate on HIS ass!

26 posted on 09/10/2006 7:47:25 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: 383rr

Thrier= their. I gut ta wurk oon mah spelin.


27 posted on 09/10/2006 7:48:02 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: 383rr
Addiction Prevention & Treatment
Building Human Capital
Childhood Obesity
Disparities
Health Insurance Coverage
Nursing
Pioneer
Public Health
Quality Health Care
*TOBACCO USE AND EXPOSURE*
Vulnerable Populations

(All of the above has potential big bucks in each catagory for Big Pharm and the RWJF!)

Talk about speaking out of both sides of their mouths....

It appears there are contradictions aplenty here.

Oh yes. Digging beneath all the layers, the truth is starting to come out.  We might not have the money that the RWJF has, but by golly, we have the truth!

28 posted on 09/10/2006 7:50:11 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: sure_fine; butternut_squash_bisque
puffing

Me, too.  LOL


29 posted on 09/10/2006 7:51:33 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: ccmay

Yep. Petty tyranny is a slippery slope, ain't it? At the bottom of the slope is utter dependence and ignorance. Let the anile amongst us take care of it.


30 posted on 09/10/2006 7:55:27 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: ccmay
I don't care if there is scientific proof that tobacco smoke is as healthy as mother's milk. It irritates my lungs, nose and eyes.

Last I checked, the cure for irritation of the lungs, nose and eyes is not the liberally forced instigation of illegal laws through fraud and deceit.

31 posted on 09/10/2006 8:09:33 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: SheLion

Government needs reasons to continue economically tapping it's partners (tobacco companies) with ongoing lawsuits and second hand smoke is part of the overall game plan.A number of years ago they employed the same tactic in the refrigeration industry declaring war on freon and its effect on the ozone,a declaration that has since been challenged by science,but afforded an opportunity to "sue" violaters.No question the word "extortion" has been clearly defined by our government of bureaucrats !!!


32 posted on 09/10/2006 8:09:51 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: SheLion

I enjoy smoking.


33 posted on 09/10/2006 8:13:40 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: KeepUSfree
hahahahaha, thanks for pointing that tag line out. Hypocrisy reigns supreme for some. lolol
34 posted on 09/10/2006 8:17:02 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: ccmay
It irritates my lungs, nose and eyes.

That's your problem. Own it and deal with it. The particulates from the manufacture of items you use and demand irritates my lungs, nose and eyes.

For a smoker to inflict it on us unwillingly is unspeakably rude.

To inflict your intestinal gas on others is likewise rude. And, yes, it is a choice; you can hold it and go elsewhere.

Right. The world and its activities and events are all about you.

35 posted on 09/10/2006 8:29:21 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: mwernimont; AntiScumbag
and the facts show he is telling a bold faced lie to the American public.
Read

mwernimont, it seems antiscumbag seems to have a problem with not having the "hyphen" between the words bold and faced.

I told him if that's all that he can criticize us on, then we must be doing good!

36 posted on 09/10/2006 8:37:34 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

None of this is new news. Thing is, when is it going to be PUBLIC news?


37 posted on 09/10/2006 8:42:20 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the additional comments and link.


38 posted on 09/10/2006 10:26:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: Dustbunny
None of this is new news. Thing is, when is it going to be PUBLIC news?

If it's on the Net, it's open to the public.  And if people don't research and look things up, then there are those of us who will do it for you.

How's that?

39 posted on 09/10/2006 11:06:53 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks for the additional comments and link.

You are sure welcome.  Hope you enjoy them.

40 posted on 09/10/2006 11:08:02 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Very little of our discretionary money goes for eating out anymore; so many places have banned smoking, it just isn't the same.

I don't like eating an expensive dinner with little children running around, I like going out where I can enjoy excellent food, a good bar, and freedom to smoke, or not as I choose.

No wonder the restaurants where they ban smoking are going broke. Sometimes Hub and I like to go out on a "date" together, and we aren't looking for family atmosphere or nanny restrictions, we are looking for a place where reasonable adults can enjoy adult company.

The smoke-nannys are going to have to face the people someday. But first, smokers are going to have to quit apologizing and feeling guilty for enjoying an adult habit that funds a lot of government programs.

The lying sacks that promote this health-nazi propaganda can just eat my ... dust.


41 posted on 09/10/2006 11:57:57 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Humble Servant

This quagmire is quite parallel to the DEA going after marijuana.

Why can't conservatives band together to stop the Nanny State?


42 posted on 09/10/2006 12:07:11 PM PDT by 308MBR (Milkin' and a churnin', picking cotton, raising "heck" and balin' hay!)
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To: SheLion
It is time to take the gloves off.

I think more people are coming out of the ether over this issue.

The Smoking Jihadis are metastasizing into other areas, spreading hysteria through junk science and catering to the worst impulses in human nature.

Carving people out, demonizing them and taxing them into oblivion - hateful and dangerous behavior by hateful and dangerous people.

The national symbol should be a sheep.

43 posted on 09/10/2006 12:30:44 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: ccmay
Your whiny, insulting posts are unpleasant and disgusting.

I'm all in favor of banning them from public places.

44 posted on 09/10/2006 12:32:24 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Judith Anne
The smoke-nannys are going to have to face the people someday. But first, smokers are going to have to quit apologizing and feeling guilty for enjoying an adult habit that funds a lot of government programs.

The lying sacks that promote this health-nazi propaganda can just eat my ... dust.

Without a doubt!

The RWJF and Big Pharm tried hard to put a huge guilt trip on smokers.  When that didn't work, now they are telling non-smoking friends and family that smokers are killing them with the second hand smoke.

This is all BS!  Big Pharm just wants smokers to stop so they will buy the very expensive stop smoking DRUGS!

I'm tired of it.  I'm tired of them trying to put a guilt trip on me, and I'm tired of all the lies and propaganda against smokers.

And I am sick to death of hearing all the private businesses that are closing and the wait staff losing their jobs just because of this reform school smoking ban.

It's time for this to STOP!

45 posted on 09/10/2006 1:05:05 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Madame Dufarge
Carving people out, demonizing them and taxing them into oblivion - hateful and dangerous behavior by hateful and dangerous people.

The national symbol should be a sheep.

Yep!  I have noticed more private businesses taking the anti's to court over the smoking bans.  And it's about time.

I guess California and Maine were the scapegoats.  When the rest of the US saw what is happening to CA and ME, it woke the rest of the country up!

46 posted on 09/10/2006 1:07:30 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

LOL


47 posted on 09/10/2006 1:09:31 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Back in the day...)
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To: SheLion
Good, go for it.

Actually Rush read a report from the WHO a year or more ago about second hand smoke not being a health risk.

48 posted on 09/10/2006 3:10:35 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: elkfersupper
Or is that just too much to ask?

Yep. You stay home. Is that too much to ask? You're the one with the drug addiction, not me. It's your problem, not mine.

-ccm

49 posted on 09/10/2006 4:24:22 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: William Terrell
To inflict your intestinal gas on others is likewise rude. And, yes, it is a choice; you can hold it and go elsewhere.

Only a drug addict would equate his habit with a natural physiological process.

-ccm

50 posted on 09/10/2006 4:26:00 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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