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Precision Climate Modeling Is Forecast
Terra Daily ^ | 09/08/2006 | Staff Writers

Posted on 09/08/2006 8:11:43 AM PDT by cogitator

U.S. scientists are predicting we will soon enjoy precision climate modeling, offering detail and scale only imagined a few years ago. John Drake and David Erickson at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory's computer science and mathematics division say it's possible for scientists to create meteorological models that take into account such things as the complete carbon cycle, terrestrial biology, El Ninos and hundreds of other factors.

The goal is to provide what scientists call a fully integrated Earth system model that can be simulated every 15 minutes for centuries.

"Before, we had to make compromises that ultimately limited the resolution and scope of our models and subsequent predictions," said Drake. "Now, using what we have learned and with computing power exceeding 50 teraflops, we can make our models far more sophisticated."

The upgraded model will incorporate the most recent atmospheric, oceanic and glacial ice data as well as improved chemistry, biology and physics, Drake said.

The research also involves scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, NASA, Duke University, Georgia Tech and various national labs to develop a climate end station.

Recent work by Erickson and colleagues appears in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechange; computation; global; modeling; prediction; warming
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1 posted on 09/08/2006 8:11:45 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: palmer

I thought you would find this particularly interesting.


2 posted on 09/08/2006 8:13:06 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: DaveLoneRanger

** ping **


3 posted on 09/08/2006 8:13:22 AM PDT by cogitator
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Bet these scientist forcasted the shuttle launch today as well.
4 posted on 09/08/2006 8:13:24 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil
Bet these scientist forcasted the shuttle launch today as well.

No, that would be the engineers. (smirk)

5 posted on 09/08/2006 8:14:03 AM PDT by cogitator
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They come up with a perfect system to track hurricanes yet? No? Then the usefulness of the system is about as good as flipping a coin..Well, actually, less useful, because if the simulations are for centuries, verification of the data will take a hundred years, making it absolutely useless since we'll be developing better forecast models over that hundred years.
6 posted on 09/08/2006 8:14:26 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: cogitator

I recall Steven Schneider and others of his ilk at NCAR say the same thing 30 years ago when they got their brand new CRAY.

Models are only as good as their algorithms and their data. Both continue to get better, but are still woefully insufficient, in my view, to support predictive analyses.


7 posted on 09/08/2006 8:22:57 AM PDT by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: centurion316

Models and algorithms are always improving and getting much better at proving manmade global warming. In "science", it always helps to have a goal in mind, if that is what you want to prove.


8 posted on 09/08/2006 8:30:38 AM PDT by C210N (Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: cogitator
The goal is to provide what scientists call a fully integrated Earth system model that can be simulated every 15 minutes for centuries.

So.....weathermen can be wrong more frequently?

Wonder if this will support the global warming theory.

9 posted on 09/08/2006 8:39:29 AM PDT by wbill
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To: cogitator

Actually, I'm a mechanical engineer and I took a bunch of fluid dynamics and what I know is that there are classes of equations that don't result in deterministic solutions. That is, if you tip the initial conditions ever so slightly the result changes drastically. They may have 50 terraflops, and I'm sure its worth a lot of insight, but the reality is that there will still be a huge "political" element to these simulations.


10 posted on 09/08/2006 8:51:26 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: cogitator; freepatriot32
I hate to say it, but they're idiots. Our life span on this planet is a microfraction of a second compared to geologic time line. To think we are so significant they need to think again...



Could we have controlled the weather post 1883 Krakatoa?



Or St. Helens?




Or stopped a Tsunami?




Tell us what time,
and how devastating the next earthquake
will be?




What a bunch of Junk science....I go to the link and on the right side is a list of phoney global warming pukers.
11 posted on 09/08/2006 8:52:00 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Trust can't be bought)
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To: cogitator

So will it rain tomorrow or not?


12 posted on 09/08/2006 9:01:40 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
So will it rain tomorrow or not?

Exactly. These "Models" are used for nothing but propaganda. Can they start one 100 years ago and predict the present accurately? I predict not.

13 posted on 09/08/2006 9:08:24 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Can they start one 100 years ago and predict the present accurately? I predict not.

That would be a good test. Probably they could go back only 20 or 30 years when they have better data to start from and find out how well it works. They still probably won't get tomorrow's weather right anyway.

14 posted on 09/08/2006 9:22:46 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
So will it rain tomorrow or not?

Yes.

15 posted on 09/08/2006 9:24:56 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Kristina Abernathy - call your agent.


16 posted on 09/08/2006 9:46:41 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: cogitator

Don't hold your breath. There is a LONG way to go before something like this comes to fruition.


17 posted on 09/08/2006 9:58:49 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: cogitator

LOL!


18 posted on 09/08/2006 10:41:32 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
LOL!

I thought you'd get a kick out of that.

19 posted on 09/08/2006 10:45:13 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

You were right.


20 posted on 09/08/2006 10:52:05 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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