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Contractors weigh in on new immigration bill
Glenwood Springs Post Independent, CO ^ | September 4, 2006 | Donna Gray

Posted on 09/07/2006 9:06:20 AM PDT by Dane

Colorado's new immigration laws are starting to cause a stir among businessmen in the valley. For contractor Mark Gould one bill in particular could mean the loss of about a quarter of his workforce.

Since House Bill 1343 took effect Aug. 7, Gould is now required to certify that he has no illegal workers on his payroll. The law applies to contractors working on projects for cities, counties, school districts and other governmental agencies.

According to the law, new workers must be checked through a Pilot Program, which is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Homeland Security. The program links employers to an online database that checks names against Social Security numbers to determine if the number is valid.

"We've been told (the database) is only 80 percent correct," Gould said.

Gould Construction employs about 100 people, many of them unskilled laborers, many of them Hispanic immigrants. About half his contracts are with local governments.

Although Gould said his company checks people's documents as a condition of employment to make sure they are legal immigrants, it's a matter of simple math to realize that many of them are probably living in this country illegally.

According to Denver's Bell Policy Center, in 2004 there were 435,000 foreign born immigrants in the state. Gould estimates there are about 250,000 who are here illegally.

"As you walk down the street one of every two immigrants is illegal," he said. "This is not rocket science."

He has already seen the fallout from the bill.

Currently the company has 10 openings, and only three people have applied. Hispanics are not applying, Gould said.

"If you listen to (congressman and anti-illegal immigration advocate) Tom Tancredo, he wants to send 250,000 people back home. Congressman Tancredo says employers are employing illegals when there are legal workers standing in line," Gould said.

If Tancredo, R-Colo., has his way - and HB 1343 could go a long way to making that happen - businesses like Gould's, hotels in Aspen and Vail, landscapers around the valley and others would be hard put to find employees.

Gould pays $14 an hour as starting pay. At that rate, a worker who puts in the usual 50 hour week and who makes time-and-a-half in overtime will get $770 a week. That's good pay for unskilled labor, but still Gould would be hamstrung without Hispanics applying for those positions.

American kids are finishing high school and going on to skilled jobs.

"Kids are trained on computers, they don't want to dig a ditch," Gould said.

"What's going to happen to our economy if those workers go home? It would mean the loss of about a quarter of the excavators, laborers, masons, concrete workers, landscapers, roofers, drywallers and insulators in the valley," he said.

"So far business has been silent, they're assuming no politician would hurt the economy to make their constituency happy, but that's just what they've done."

Gould, representing the Colorado Contractor's Association, was part of a round-table discussion with Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez at the Broadmoor Hotel in Colorado Springs Monday, Aug. 28. The secretary was there to gather comments about President Bush's proposal for comprehensive immigration reform, including a guest worker program.

Businesses are also keeping their heads down and not speaking out about the new immigration laws because they're fearful they'll attract the attention of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), Gould said.

Another Glenwood Springs contractor and former state representative, Gregg Rippy, agrees HB 1343 is flawed, although it will have less effect on his business. Rippy's government contracts account for about 35 percent of his business.

What the law is likely to do is drive contractors away from government projects and exclusively into the private sector, he said.

"You look at the level of work in the valley and why would you bid a city job when there is plenty of private work," he said.

That will also mean higher bids from contractors bidding on government contracts and higher construction costs. Contractors who do bid on government jobs will build in the cost of going through the process mandated by HB 1343.

Colorado should have waited for federal legislation to be put in place before passing its own immigration reform law, Gould said.

Any immigration reform should include a provision for a guest worker program that would allow employers to go to Mexico, for example, to choose workers and check their medical background and whether or not they have a criminal record. Most importantly, Gould said, foreign workers need to have biometric identification that contains individual and unforgeable markers such as fingerprints or eye scans.

Gould is now in the process of applying for 15 H2B temporary work visas for his employees. But this avenue of filling the need for unskilled workers is hampered by the U.S. State Department, which grants only 33,000 such visas annually for the entire country.

"We have 7 million workers in the construction industry in the U.S., and we project we'll need 180,000 new workers annually for the next 10 years - that's 1.8 million," Gould said. "That's just our industry, not hospitality or tourism. This economy would be toast if we lost (immigrant) workers."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: aliens; buchanan; danethread; glennbeck; hannity; immigrantlist; marklevin; owned; rushlimbaugh; tancredo
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To: Dane
Dingus,

This creep is just trying to protect his ill-gotten gains.

He should be jailed and sued out of business.

L

101 posted on 09/07/2006 2:46:47 PM PDT by Lurker (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: steve-b
If (for example) law-abiding citizens were being denied CCW permits because of errors in the background check database, and the government tried to shurg and say "well, it's only 80% accurate and you just have to deal with it), there would be a dozen 1000+-post flame threads on this forum.

I think you analogy is a bit off. If a contractor is making good faith efforts to comply with a verification system that is only 80% accurate (according to him, anyway), he's not going to be prosecuted or denied a license. The upside to the program is that this contractor is having a harder time finding illegal employees, even assuming the 80% accuracy claim is true.

102 posted on 09/07/2006 2:46:48 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: steel_resolve
FOR THE LAST TIME, IF YOU BASE YOUR BUSINESS MODEL ON ILLEGAL LABOR, YOU DESERVE TO FAIL

NOT for the last time. You need to keep screaming it. The Mafia bases their business model on illegal labor(s). We don't cheer them on.

103 posted on 09/07/2006 2:50:25 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: Dane
And the vast majority of those people are hard working otherwise moral people.

"Otherwise moral" being the qualifier you need to overlook their lawbreaking, which usually isn't confined to residence status and employment eligibility, and which is all immoral.

104 posted on 09/07/2006 2:53:36 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: Hardastarboard
NOT for the last time. You need to keep screaming it. The Mafia bases their business model on illegal labor(s). We don't cheer them on.

You are correct, the mafia hiding behind unions, build such shoddy work as the big dig in Boston, where people like Guido and Sal skim off the money, while Pablo and Jose are excoriated on FR, because of their ethnicity, while they do for the most part, good work.

105 posted on 09/07/2006 2:55:24 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
...while Pablo and Jose are excoriated on FR, because of their ethnicity,...

Yet another slanderous LIE, Dane. You sure are good at telling them.

Your mythical Pablo and Jose are excoriated for being ILLEGAL ALIENS, and for living and working in the U.S. ILLEGALLY.

Keep the lies coming, Dane. It's fun smashing you down.

BTW, race baiters like you are some of the most virulent racists there are.
106 posted on 09/07/2006 3:01:07 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: rottndog
BTW, race baiters like you are some of the most virulent racists there are.

Projecting I see.

107 posted on 09/07/2006 3:07:52 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Projecting I see.

No, holding up the mirror for you and Reflecting.
108 posted on 09/07/2006 3:09:29 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Dane
It drives you crazy that I have arguements red herrings and non sequitors repeated over and over(and over) that go nowhere near addressing the arguments presented to me, while rottndog only has pictures of a bozo doll for his arguements.
109 posted on 09/07/2006 3:09:32 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Dane
rottndog's definition of race-baiting:

Race baiting: The practice of injecting race into a debate, where it has no legitimate place, for the sole purpose of heightening and exploiting racial tension, in order to stifle the debate. Those who engage in it are by definition racist.

Fits you to a TEE, Dane.
110 posted on 09/07/2006 3:14:45 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: rottndog
rottndog's definition of race-baiting:

Race baiting: The practice of injecting race into a debate, where it has no legitimate place, for the sole purpose of heightening and exploiting racial tension, in order to stifle the debate. Those who engage in it are by definition racist.

Fits you to a TEE, Dane.

LOL! rottndog now proclaims himself the Webster(dictionary) of FR.

111 posted on 09/07/2006 3:16:35 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Pablo and Jose are excoriated on FR, because of their ethnicity

You liberal democrat, you. You ought to run for president of Harvard, you have the rap down so well.

I really love these threads, Dane. Your behavior is mesmerizing.

112 posted on 09/07/2006 3:23:15 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Dane
LOL! rottndog now proclaims himself the Webster(dictionary) of FR.

No, just spelling out the parameters of the discussion. You engage in race-baiting because you can't defend your positions. You try to shut the debate down, because you can't defend your positions. You try to slime fellow FReepers because you can't defend your positions. This is all you are capable of.

And yes, if you engage in race-baiting, you are a racist.
113 posted on 09/07/2006 3:24:12 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Dane
It's not just some contractor in Colorado. Farmers up and down the West Coast are have to let their fruit rot in the fields for lack of pickers. About 4% less illegals to do the stoop labor native Americans won't do. The farmers have advertised for local, nonlegal help, and get little or no response. The teenagers and college students who USED TO do this work are not doing it anymore. Even the idea of allowing the public to come and pick your own strawberries, peaches, etc., is not a viable solution anymore due to lawsuits. "I twisted my back on that farmers furrow" nonsense.

The Brasero program worked from WWII thru the late 60's. Temp. work permit. What'sa matter with that?

114 posted on 09/07/2006 3:38:46 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: rottndog
Idaho is also overrun with illegals. Just ask Robert Vasquez. He wants the illegals out and has made it a big issue in Idaho. It appears everywhere you go, there the illegals are. It's not just a border problem.

Idaho Press-Tribune

CALDWELL - In a 2-0 vote Tuesday, Canyon County commissioners passed a resolution to declare the county a disaster area because of illegal immigration.

Commissioner Robert Vasquez authored the resolution because he said an influx of illegal immigrants poses a serious enough threat to its residents to be considered an emergency. He cites money spent on indigent medical care and incarceration of illegal immigrants as reasons for the resolution. "

115 posted on 09/07/2006 3:54:15 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl
Bummer. I was stationed their in my navy days 20 years ago-It was the best place I ever lived out of all the places I was stationed--The people there are (were) great.
116 posted on 09/07/2006 3:56:48 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: rottndog
Bummer. I was stationed their in my navy days 20 years ago-It was the best place I ever lived out of all the places I was stationed--The people there are (were) great.

Can I ask you question. Why would the US Navy be in the totally inland state of Idaho.

117 posted on 09/07/2006 4:15:26 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Idaho National Engineering Laboratory--the birthplace of nuclear power. I did prototype training on a nuclear power plant, preparing to be a naval nuclear propulsion plant operator. Lived there 6 months. And it was great.
118 posted on 09/07/2006 4:18:34 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Dane
INEL is about 60 miles west of Idaho Falls. Had to take a bus out there and back every day--no civilian vehicles allowed.
119 posted on 09/07/2006 4:20:22 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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